Yearling pictures - Can I have your opinion??

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:03 pm

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to post my yearlings pictures and possbily get some opinions regarding his size and conformation. He is 18 months this October and I breed him to race, so I'm hoping that can be the case in a year or two. My girlfriend who trains racehorses here in california says he's pretty straight in his pasterns....do you others agree? Would anyone say it's worth putting him into training as a racehorse?? Can he still be a decent racehorse with this as a conformation fault?? Even claiming ranks would be ok with me! I would appreciate everyone's honest opinion....Thanks!!

Also, you can check out his pedigree...it's not anything magnificent.....the real pedigree starts one generation back.....http://www.pedigreequery.com/satisfy+my+soul

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:17 pm

Wow, he sure took after his sire. Since the sire is 2-0-0-0 and the conformation is nearly identical maybe this colt's future on the track is iffy. He is VERY straight in the back, almost post legged, and the pasterns are VERY upright. There are many horses out there that perform despite what folks perceive as conformation flaws.. you can forgive a bit here or there. I would be VERY concerned about this colt standing up to training - the pounding on those legs and getting body sore all over because of his hocks, etc.

I don't understand - if you were breeding to RACE, why did you send your mare to a stallion that couldn't run?

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:24 pm

Well, his sire was retired from an ankle injury...that's all I was told. I figured since they paid $875,000 for his sire that his conformation would be pretty darn good...I don't know many buyers who pay that much for a horse that is upright. Plus...he was inexpensive and I thought that I would give it a shot and if it didn't work out, I would turn him into a riding/show horse. My girlfiend who trains racehorses out here in california told me that same thing you have said....have you seen pictures of his sire??? What I don't get is DID he get it from his sire...or was it inherited from my mare?? I would prefer not to breed my mare again if that is the case.

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:33 pm

Madelynn...just to clarify my reasons for breeding my mare to this horse....his sires breeding was awesome....and his sire is half brother to kentucky sire Belong to Me. I got a great stud fee.....and it was his first year out to stud.....so I figured why not?? Any advice?? I'm assuming you wouldn't take this colt into training??? Even if it was with a smaller trainer who could take their time with this colt?

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:34 pm

Actually, Temescal Ridge sold as a yearling for $150K. He later sold at a two year old in training sale for $875K which may have been based on an unnaturally fast furlong - as so many of the prices at those sales are. Just look at The Green Monkey - $16 million for a horse that apparently could only run that furlong, that fast, once. Those once-in-a-lifetime races at two, at the sales, might sometimes be the result of the horse being "on" a substance banned for racing. In Temescal Ridge's two starts, he ended up with a high speed rating of 84, which is pretty danged slow, suggesting that the price as a two year old was completely unjustified.

A stallion who retires injured after two starts Very Likely did not have the conformation to stand up to training which seems to happen a LOT with offspring of Unbridled's Song.

In my opinion, what I look for in a breed to race stallion is racing ability, soundness and a good temperament. I believe all three traits are essential. Temescal Ridge apparently lacked at least the first two.

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:47 pm

I'm considering breeding my mare to the stallion Jackpot next year. Do you think is would be a reputable breeding?? He is located here in San Diego at Vessels Stallion Farm. He also nicks an A with my mare..which I don't know if that even makes a difference but it can't hurt, right?

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:05 pm

Vally- Welcome first of all.
I am just like YOU. Believe me we are in the same boat. I just had a colt like yours not the same breeding but...
What I suggest you are a little hestitant about racing the youngster,.. Wait it out to see how he grows. Yes he is long in the pasturn, but that doesnt mean at that time he could have been going through a growing spurt. There is nothing saying that you cant go to the fairs
Where are you located? Where do you want to race at?
I plan to do the Fairs in Ca.
I have my mare Deaconess bred to Stormy Jack.
Can we talk?
Karen

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:45 pm

Regarding Jackpot, he doesn't seem to have been really all that talented. I researched your mare - her family hasn't had a solid racehorse for more than four generations. However, I ran the G1 Goldmine with Rainbow Quest as the dam's second sire and came up overwhelmingly with the gsw's from that line having a lot of Northern Dancer. For the same fee as Jackpot, take a look at Truckee, by Danzig. That horse could RUN.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:04 pm

Madelyn As far as Truckee goes,
I am having trouble having Larry to call me back. Oak Farms manager is some what of a pill. And Truckee is a big time agressive stallion. They would not let vistors see him. He gets agravated too quickly and he can be mean. I have been to Oak Hill in Paso, The farms hands are good, but Larry is very hard to deal with.
Karen

no hurray · Postby **no hurray** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:19 pm

HI i'am new here so i don't want to sound to harsh . but in my opinion your baby has no motor and a worse landing gear and i can't see him staying sound. but i have been wrong before' but is it worth it to spend the amount of money it will take to get him to the races to win a $5ooo maiden race . it's your money! sorry just my opinion

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:24 pm

You know its very difficult to say now what they are good for. He could just be going through a growth spurt. They best way to tell, if this is something that you truely want is to try it.. See how it goes..
Karen

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:49 pm

can I have your opinion regarding my mares conformation? I took these pictures Jan of this year, so she has a heavier coat from winter and it was hard getting her to stand still and stand square. We did the best we could when we took these. I am aware that she is slightly toed out on the front right among other faults I'm sure she has. I don't quite have the eye that I'm sure a lot of you do...I'm working on it though. : )

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:13 pm

Hey vally,
Is this her first foal?
She reminds me alot of my Deaconess in the hind end.
First what do you do with her?
Why didnt she race?
I like shoulders, sloping and she has a good round hind quaters, like her legs. I would like to see a little bit more on the neck.
Do you know what she can and can't do? She reminds me of a grass horse maybe long distance..
Just my opinion
Karen

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:35 pm

This is her first foal....I have had her for nearly 4 years and the woman I bought her from mentioned she was on the racetrack training and her owners bailed on paying for the bills. Her sire was an irish bred, so that might explain why you think she resembles a turfer. She hasn't had any soundness issues, nor has she bowed or anything. So I'm more likely to believe that it was a lack of funds on the owners part that contributed to that fact that she didn't race.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:41 pm

Wells thats good. Thats a big positive with the broodmare sire running on the turf. You know I wonder if the Irish and European horses have good if not better durablity than usa horses. just a thought..
And oh have you thought about going to Equineline.com and looking up the broodmare sire states for your mares sire?
Karen