Does "Ashes Of Roses" have soundness, distance, he
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Does "Ashes Of Roses" have soundness, distance, he
grass in her pedigree and who would you breed her to? Thank you.
No question that Ashes of Roses was sound; she made 50 starts, She won only once though, this on the turf. She was in fact at her best on the weeds but this isn't saying much, I'm afraid. Neither of her first two dams produced anything over the lower claiming level (highest earnings of any of the lot only about $75,000) and there's only a minor SW under the third dam, so there wouldn't be much of a catalog page here.
My feeling is that given the limited racing talent of this mare and her immediate connections, she may be of more value to you as a sporthorse producer if she has the looks, athleticism, and disposition for that role. I can't see her as producing anything with much sales value even in the Florida market unless the foal was a truly exceptional-looking athlete.
If breeding for racing purposes, you might want to consider looking to the *Turn-to male line since Waquoit as a stallion definitely seemed to like getting *Turn-to in his mares. There are a couple of Saint Ballado sons, Sweetsouthernsaint and Flame Thrower, that might be possibilities; they stand at $2500 and $6500, respectively. Whatever you do, you'll probably want to be particularly careful about evaluating foreleg conformation in your potential sire since the Relaunch line tends to have good shoulders, bodies and hips but can tend towards flatness at the knees and upright pasterns. In Sweetsouthernsaint's case, he is a big muscular fellow who at least when I saw him seemed a bit heavy on the forehand and did not have the prettiest of heads (yes, I know that's not what runs, but may be important to you if the backup plan for this foal would be to be converted to a sporthorse or hunter), so if the mare also tends to go heavy in front, he may not be the best of choices. I have not seen Flame Thrower myself, so I have no comments regarding his make, but FOS made some observations about his rising 2yos seeming well balanced, athletic, and racy on another thread.
Texas Glitter would also be an interesting match on paper since this would have the full siblings Moon Glitter and Relaunch 3x3, and he was certainly a sound and durable runner by modern standards. He is going into a bubble year so might be a risky choice if breeding to sell. Again, physical matchup between the horse and your mare would be a key issue. He stands for $4000. Burning Roma, the best son of Rubiano, also offers the Moon Glitter/Relaunch pairing (in this case 4x3, which I actually like somewhat better for a racing prospect) as well as being 4x4 Mr. Prospector -- I don't see that as being a problem given the durability of both sire and dam, again provided that the conformation match between sire and dam is good. He stands at $6500.
My feeling is that given the limited racing talent of this mare and her immediate connections, she may be of more value to you as a sporthorse producer if she has the looks, athleticism, and disposition for that role. I can't see her as producing anything with much sales value even in the Florida market unless the foal was a truly exceptional-looking athlete.
If breeding for racing purposes, you might want to consider looking to the *Turn-to male line since Waquoit as a stallion definitely seemed to like getting *Turn-to in his mares. There are a couple of Saint Ballado sons, Sweetsouthernsaint and Flame Thrower, that might be possibilities; they stand at $2500 and $6500, respectively. Whatever you do, you'll probably want to be particularly careful about evaluating foreleg conformation in your potential sire since the Relaunch line tends to have good shoulders, bodies and hips but can tend towards flatness at the knees and upright pasterns. In Sweetsouthernsaint's case, he is a big muscular fellow who at least when I saw him seemed a bit heavy on the forehand and did not have the prettiest of heads (yes, I know that's not what runs, but may be important to you if the backup plan for this foal would be to be converted to a sporthorse or hunter), so if the mare also tends to go heavy in front, he may not be the best of choices. I have not seen Flame Thrower myself, so I have no comments regarding his make, but FOS made some observations about his rising 2yos seeming well balanced, athletic, and racy on another thread.
Texas Glitter would also be an interesting match on paper since this would have the full siblings Moon Glitter and Relaunch 3x3, and he was certainly a sound and durable runner by modern standards. He is going into a bubble year so might be a risky choice if breeding to sell. Again, physical matchup between the horse and your mare would be a key issue. He stands for $4000. Burning Roma, the best son of Rubiano, also offers the Moon Glitter/Relaunch pairing (in this case 4x3, which I actually like somewhat better for a racing prospect) as well as being 4x4 Mr. Prospector -- I don't see that as being a problem given the durability of both sire and dam, again provided that the conformation match between sire and dam is good. He stands at $6500.
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ASHES OF ROSES gr. f. 1996
Waquoit---Roseworthy, by Gold Stage
SPEED
Bold Ruler
Iron Ruler
Royal Note
Intent
STAMINA
Rough n' Tumble
Mahmoud 2 times
Vandale
Ribot
Heliopolis
Native Dancer
Nashua
Tom Rolfe
Hyperion
Chicago Dr.
Doswell
If you breed Ashes of Roses to a grass sire, more than likely the foal would excell on the turf. With more stamina that speed in Ashes of Roses pedigree, you would do best to find a middle distance stallion, that has speed and stamina, but leans towards speed. As another stamina oriented stallion would make Ashes of Roses foals excell over the jumps.
Waquoit---Roseworthy, by Gold Stage
SPEED
Bold Ruler
Iron Ruler
Royal Note
Intent
STAMINA
Rough n' Tumble
Mahmoud 2 times
Vandale
Ribot
Heliopolis
Native Dancer
Nashua
Tom Rolfe
Hyperion
Chicago Dr.
Doswell
If you breed Ashes of Roses to a grass sire, more than likely the foal would excell on the turf. With more stamina that speed in Ashes of Roses pedigree, you would do best to find a middle distance stallion, that has speed and stamina, but leans towards speed. As another stamina oriented stallion would make Ashes of Roses foals excell over the jumps.
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Louis and Mahubah...thank you for all of this information. I will take your advice for this mare and breed her for potential sporthorses. The Waquiot line has been good this way, and she is built and moves well. I will follow your guidelines for stallions to use. You have so much knowledge.
Louis...remember to say 'Hello' to Kenny Griffith for us old fans of his if you ever see him again. Maybe someday I can get his autograph for my brother.
Louis...remember to say 'Hello' to Kenny Griffith for us old fans of his if you ever see him again. Maybe someday I can get his autograph for my brother.
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