I don't understand...

aztmccdc · Postby **aztmccdc** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:07 pm

Can somebody please explain to me what is going on in this video? Why is everyone standing around and not helping this horse sooner? This video is graphic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8o5N0-z ... re=related :cry:

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:22 pm

Hello
Yes they are helping the horse. They had to give the horse a sedative and try to get him or her down. In a situate like this it is very hard to make the horse lie down. You dont want him or her to panick and go ballistic. Obvisouly the horse was in pain and they had a tractor near by. But they were trying to help the horse.
I can say this knowing because we had to do the same thing with our colt last year, he needed to be tranqed and have his umbilical hernia removed, it looked serious, but we had to stand there and wait and GUID him down to the matts.
And I had to stand and watch as a vet did that to my arab, his entire foot was cut into half when he went through wire. We let him go down on his own- then we moved.
Karen

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:33 pm

Sorry for my errors, I cant spell today, Must be the holiday.
Karen

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:19 pm

As disturbing as the video is, it is obviously from a different country and it looks as though they have many different vet pratices. Even the jockey was there to help get the horse down. When a horse breaksdown they have a large amount of adreneline courseing through their body. So often they cant even tell they are injured.

walaa · Postby **walaa** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:50 pm

BS!!!! You can all say, FOR SURE

that the best sedative they had on this track took that long to work??? BS. The vet came out to tend to a hole in Dukes neck the other day, in case everyone on this forum doesnt understand how long a tranq takes to work, which I think you all do, and in 3 seconds his head is hanging, he is barely able to hold himself up in 8 seconds. This for something that doesnt even require him to be stitched. No one there has a gun?? it looked like a racetrack of some sort, no one there has a better sedative than that? Hell Ace doesnt take that long if you shoot it straight in the mouth. And the fact that everyone is standing around shootin film instead of running for something to give him, no one even looks like they left the scene to tell someone else to get something. Of course I wasnt there, so I dont know exactly, they could all have been looking for something, but still ??????????

lindsay_aggie · Postby **lindsay_aggie** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:35 pm

Have you ever given ace to a horse that was extremely worked up (injury, excitement, or both)? It does nothing for a horse that has a ton of adrenalyne at work. Even stronger drugs like rompun or a dorm/torb mix don't work as they would on a calm horse in a situation like that. Thankfully I have never been that closely involved with an injury like that one, but working at an equine clinic near a track trust me I have seen many situations where a simple injection (even of strong drugs) doesn't knock a horse down. Poor horse, but it does look like they did the right thing by giving the sedation and waiting as quietly as possible for it to take effect. The only part of the video that confused me is why not go strait for the beuthanasia solution when obviously that is where they were ending up. Not sure about that part.

lindsay_aggie · Postby **lindsay_aggie** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:38 pm

Have you ever given ace to a horse that was extremely worked up (injury, excitement, or both)? It does nothing for a horse that has a ton of adrenalyne at work. Even stronger drugs like rompun or a dorm/torb mix don't work as they would on a calm horse in a situation like that. Thankfully I have never been that closely involved with an injury like that one, but working at an equine clinic near a track trust me I have seen many situations where a simple injection (even of strong drugs) doesn't knock a horse down. Poor horse, but it does look like they did the right thing by giving the sedation and waiting as quietly as possible for it to take effect. The only part of the video that confused me is why not go strait for the beuthanasia solution when obviously that is where they were ending up. Not sure about that part.

walaa · Postby **walaa** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:11 pm

Yes, I have been there with horses that have had horrible injuries, nothing like that, but when a horse has an injury that bad they go into shock MUCH quicker than a non fatal injury, sometimes to the point of catatonic. My Saratoga Six mare had a HORRIBLE trailer ride from hell with an awful shipper form VA who came highly recommended. She came off the trailer with two skull fractures, blood everywhere. This mare is a nightmare anyways, when it comes to vet care. She was very bad off, I mean you could put your finger in her head, and when the vet got there and sedated her to try and save her, he put 2 fingers in and pulled, you could see her bone. You could barely touch her, then bada bing, sedation, within 10 seconds, still fighting some, but stitchable. I watched a friends mare in PA die slowly, she got kicked in the pasture, a piece of her cannon bone was laying there on the ground, this mare was in serious shock, but she (the owner) would not let me shoot her, after calling me about it. She didnt want anymore "violence" to be done to her, so instead we aced her and watched her suffer greatly for 2 hours until the vet got there to euthanize her. She didnt keep enough of anything on hand to put her out. She never moved, just rocked back and forth like this horse, it was an awful thing to watch, and I should have just shot her and ended the friendship

This horse (the one in video)wasnt thrashing around or any of that, and whatever they gave him, you have to know by looking at that injury, why wait for the dosage to take effect??? Overdose the shit out of him, he is going to die anyhow, just give him everything you got, for crying out loud, just not stand there taking pictures. Its that obvious, but thats all I will say on this thread, you guys go ahead and make excuses for not shooting this horse immediately, or giving him a whole lot more and better of whatever they tried to give him.

Skipitgirl · Postby **Skipitgirl** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:13 pm

All I can say is ........YIKES!

njc2000 · Postby **njc2000** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:47 pm

Hmmm....is it possible the injection given did not make it into the vein? Horrible way to go, for sure.

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:12 am

Again, it was a different country. How do you even know it was Ace or Torb or some other drug they gave the horse??? Dont assume the vet pratices are the same in every country.

kezeli · Postby **kezeli** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:26 am

It's a middle eastern country that much is obvious, but from my working with MANY middle eastern doctors, they DO have the same drugs that we do and DO know how to use them. This horse should have been O.D. with the whole of what they had. I guess it's safe to assume that the vet was not around because euthasol would have been my first drug of choice!!!

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:55 am

Hello
To all of you out there that grumble at this and complain.
Are you a vet? What is the proper dose of medication? Until anyone of us has a Liscence to practice no one here can say what is appropriate, esp in that country.
Karen

lilli · Postby **lilli** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:06 pm

I don't understand it, either. In this country, that horse would have humanely destroyed within three minutes of a track veterinarian arrival.
My quess is that the drug admininstered to this horse was a paralytic, so that they could get this horse drug off the track, hung up by his heels on the tractor bucket and then bled out for consumption.

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:30 pm

Lilli makes a very good point. This animal may have been distroyed in a way it COULD have been for human or animal consumption.

Karen, I am not a liscensed vet, that is why in such a case I would be relying on such a person to do what he or she felt was medically suitable for the situation. Perhaps the vet was told specific orders to just tranq this horse. (For whatever the reason).