Avice Caro breeding suggestions?

[Busanda]

Since my number one choice, Saarland has been declared full, any suggestions for a yearling sales foal??? Price range is under 30k and she's a very sturdy, hickory mare with a very bullish personality.

[sb]

Busanda:

I'm not sure I understand your post the way the sentences are put together. Are you looking for a yearling by Caro instead of breeding your mare to Saarland because he's booked up?

SB

[Busanda]

Busanda:

I'm not sure I understand your post the way the sentences are put together. Are you looking for a yearling by Caro instead of breeding your mare to Saarland because he's booked up?

SB

I guess this is what happens when I do 4 things at once-- I'm asking for a breeding suggestion to my Caro mare, Avice Caro with the goal of selling the foal as a yearling. So i'm looking for a stallion under 30k that should be popular come Keeneland Sept.

[Bill from WA]

It's probably too late to get to most of these, but here are a few that might meet your criteria.

Proud Citizen
Petionville
Officer
Malibu Moon
High Yield
Monarchos

Bill

[louis finochio]

Advice Caro by Caro is a nice bred mare. I checked the superior nicking patterns that were produced by Caro when bred to mares that traced to the (Prince Rose) sire lines. Here is the box score.

Caro was bred to 71 mares that traced to the sire line of (Prince Rose)
Caro produced 50 winners and 13 SW.

Try to find a stallion that is line-bred 4X4 or 3X4 or 3X4X4 to the (Prince Rose) sire line and hope that your mare Advice Caro will find a bloodline affinity or superior nick like her sire Caro did. Good Luck.

[Busanda]

I was defintely thinking of both Officer and Monarchos. More Caro is never a bad thing in my opinion. Has doubling up on Caro been successful yet???

[Bill from WA]

Inbreeding to Caro has had some good results. G3 stakes placed Marie De Bayeux 2x4, G3 stakes placed Arctic Boy 3x4, G3 SW (GER) Night Devil 2x3, G1 SW Golden Apples 4x3, G1 SW Starine (Breeders Cup Filly & Mare) 3x3, are some examples.

Bill

[sb]

have 2 questions for upi:

1. What is your major reason for wanting to breed to a Caro stallion?
2. Why did you choose Saarland?

By the way, are you only considering Ky stallions?

SB

[Busanda]

have 2 questions for upi:

1. What is your major reason for wanting to breed to a Caro stallion?
2. Why did you choose Saarland?

By the way, are you only considering Ky stallions?

SB

Well my mare is by Caro and the idea of inbreeding to him intrigues me since I feel he's one of the few stallions who's genetic strength can shine through even as far back as four or five generations. Look at a lot of stallions with Caro blood somewhere and he really seems to come through.

I chose Saarland originally because it gave me some very interesting oppurtunities to inbreed to both Busanda who my mare is tail-female to and to Exclusive via Saarland's female family and through Exclusive Native on my mare's side. It also would give the chance for a large, two turn foal who many may pursue in the sales ring, especially since my mare's immediate family has been extremely hot and active as of late with Sky Mesa, Bernstein, etc. Proven and young sire family of the amazing La Troienne. Its also worth mentioning that Unbridled's most glorified son at stud and possibly his most talented son on the track as of yet, Unbridled's Song, is out of a Caro mare as well.

[TomFool]

hi Busanda, you do have a very well bred Caro mare, a little age on her but a very intresting mare none the least. I havent looked at it hard but my first thoughts with her would be if you want an Unbridled, Broken Vow & the first horse that came to mind was Newfoundland. I'll give you more of an explantion of my thoughts later as these two just came to mind first as I was glancing at your mares pedigree.

[Keith]

1. Millenium Windby Cryptoclearance-Bali Babe by Drone
5x5 cross on Good Example the dam of Grass Shack(3rd dam of Charismatic and Deputy Minister) and Exclusive.
4x5 Raise a Native
5x6x6 Princequillo
5x5x6 Nasrullah

2. During by Cherokee Run-Blazing Saddle by Blade
5x5 Knight's Daughter
5x5x5x6x6 Nasrullah
5x5 Princequillo

3. Out of Place by Cox's Ridge-Arabian Dance by Damascus
4x5 Exclusive
5x5 Busanda
5x5 Native Dancer

4. Birdstone by Grindstone-Dear Birdie by Storm Bird
Outcross but from the Unbridled sire line. Classic winner who a half brother to champion Bird Town and by a Kentucky derby winner and a grandson of a Kentucky Derby winner.

5. Tapit by Pulpit-Tap Your Heels by Unbridled
4x5 Raise a Native
4x5 Mr. Prospector

6. Proud Citizen by Gone West-Drums of Freedom by Green Forest
5x5 Busanda
4x4 Raise a Native

7. Wiseman's Ferry by Hennessy-Emmaus by Silver Deputy
3x4 La Mesa
3x5 Exclusive Native
4x5 Round Table

8. Bernstein by Storm Cat-La Affirmed by Affirmed
3x4 Exclusive Native
3x3 La Mesa
4x4 Round Table
5x5x5 Nasrullah

9. Minardi by Boundary-Yarn by Mr. Prospector
5x6x6 Knight's Daughter
4x5 Round Table
4x4 Raise a Native

10. Songandaprayer by Unbridled's Song-Alizea by Premeirship
3x4 Exclusive Native
2x4 Caro
4x5x6 Raise a Native

11. Horse Chesnut by Fort Wood-London Wall by Col Pickering
4x4 Grey Sovereign

12. Cape Canaveral by Mr. Prospector-Seaside Attraction by Seattle Slew
3x4 Raise a Native
5x5x5 Nasrullah
13. Cape Town by Seeking the Gold-Seaside Attraction by Seattle Slew
4x4 Raise a Native
5x5 Busanda

14. Petitionville by Seeking the Gold-Vana Turns by Wavering Monarch
5x5x6 Busanda
4x4x6 Raise a Native
15. Rossini by Miswaki-Touch of Greatness by Hero's Honor
Half brother to Elusive Quality
5x5 Busanda
4x4 Raise a Native
5x5x6 Princequillo
5x5x6x6x6 Nasrullah
5x5x6 Native Dancer
16. Doneraile Court by Seattle Slew-Sophisticated Girl by Stop the Music
4x5 Round Table
4x5 Hail to reason
5x5x6 Nasrullah
17. Grindstone by Unbridled-Buzz My Bell by Drone sire of Birdstone and gr.III winner Smooth Maneuvers who is out of a Caro mare

[llbean]

Hi Busanda,

I really like a very nice Florida stallion named Halo's Image with this mare; not only is his dam grandsire In Reality the best nick of all with Caro (this nick being the basis of the Unbridled/Caro nick you have alluded to), but his sire (the all-time great stallion Halo) is also a profoundly successful nick with Caro (see the GIWs Megahertz, Helios Quercus, Vahorimix, Japanese Champion 3YO Filly Cheer's Grace, Japanese Derby winner Tayasu Tsuyoshi, Met Mile winner Yankee Victor, and the Argentenian Classic Winner Halo Ola).

Another very good thing about the match-up is that Halo's Image's grandsire Hail To Reason is an excellent nick with Exclusive Native and his son Affirmed.

And it is a fact of no small importance that the Acorn (GI), Test (GI), and Mother Goose (GI) Winning filly Jersey Girl combined Exclusive Native, Hail To Reason, and Valid Appeal 3x4x2 (these three would of course be combined 3x3x3 in the Halo's Image-Avice Caro match-up).

Besides being by the great Halo; Halo's Image traces to the same female line as the excellent Florida stallion Montbrook. His yearling average for '04 was nearly 4 times his stud fee (the median still being 2.4 times it); and his AEI/CI is a positive 1.63/1.47.

Not to mention that he has gotten the big horse (the versatile 3xGIW Southern Image).

-llbean

[Elusive City]

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