Have a stallion owner who refuses to register breeding event in 2008..live foal born 2009...filly doing great!!...what can I do without stallion owner fulfilling their obligation to record breeding to my mare?...its a good stallion and a great mare .....I have been fighting this for over a year!!
......any suggestions less than lawyers...???..I have a thoroughbred I cannot register !!!..........spent thousands of dollars..to get nowherre !!!
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Me, too. I've had mare owners in the past who signed contracts for stud fees payable by a certain date that were severely discounted for the early payment.. and the date comes and goes, and finally when the foal is pushing a year old and the $200 registration deadline comes looming, they want to still pay the discounted fee.. well that only happened my first year. So I went to a tiered contract, with different "payable by" dates, so that they could get a massive discount if paid at the time of cover, subsequently lesser discounts for pay by Sept 1, Jan 1, and then live foal, and then if after the foal's year of birth, full fee plus a late payment penalty. Simple, then?
The stallion owner's ONLY security for the service is the stud certificate. If, on the other hand, stcath95 paid the fee, in a timely manner, has a properly dated, cancelled check with the original contract and all of the terms were met, he should probably sue for breach of contract. I'm No Lawyer, but I dimly believe that is the law that would apply here.
There are always two sides to every story. It would be interesting, if only for the purposes of future scrutiny, to know which stallion and who the owner is - if only to know to avoid them.
I will say there were some stallions at a farm that has historically had the appearance of bad business practices, in Lexington area, things like horses starving to death, issues with animal control, selling mares they didn't own, etc . etc. etc. - and I wouldn't send my worst enemy there since I love horses too much.. what was the name of that place?? It was two ladies, I believe they were mother and daughter, that were the owners....
The stallion owner's ONLY security for the service is the stud certificate. If, on the other hand, stcath95 paid the fee, in a timely manner, has a properly dated, cancelled check with the original contract and all of the terms were met, he should probably sue for breach of contract. I'm No Lawyer, but I dimly believe that is the law that would apply here.
There are always two sides to every story. It would be interesting, if only for the purposes of future scrutiny, to know which stallion and who the owner is - if only to know to avoid them.
I will say there were some stallions at a farm that has historically had the appearance of bad business practices, in Lexington area, things like horses starving to death, issues with animal control, selling mares they didn't own, etc . etc. etc. - and I wouldn't send my worst enemy there since I love horses too much.. what was the name of that place?? It was two ladies, I believe they were mother and daughter, that were the owners....
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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"""ALL""" monies had been paid long before mare left breeding farm...I owe her not one penny....NOT one penny.!!!...I have handwritten letter of charges from her (all broken down) and amounts paid per certified checks to her.....I am just stunned why she won't register the breeding...HELL!!...a communication about 6 weeks ago she offered to buy the filly.....I said 'make me an offer I can't refuse'...haven't heard from her since ????...I am dumbfounded!!!!
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..I've had it happen to me twice that the stallion certificate was withheld when the stallions changed circumstances. The first time, the stallion was sold, and there was a dispute between the current and former owners. The current owners really wanted to screw the former owners and not issue the certificates. I contacted the new owners and wrote a nice letter, assuring them that I would get the foal to the racetrack and reminding them that I wasn't any part of the dispute. I didn't really get a reply, but the stallion certificate was forwarded directly to the Jockey Club. I'm convinced that being nice did the trick.
The second time it happened was this year. I was a little tardy in getting to my 2009 foal registration and I only had about 15 days left before the fees went up. Imagine my surprise when I noticed that there was no stallion certificate on file! I didn't have many days to resolve it and was really uptight. It turned out that the stallion had moved and the previous farm had somehow sent the certificates not to the JC but to another place, and they were all lost. Apparently all records of the horses bred were contained in the certificates envelope (not really buying that!) and the farm could not recreate the records. So the owner of the stallion could only sit and wait for outraged/worried owners to contact her. She was extremely apologetic and faxed it over to the JC that day, and mailed me a copy. I was very, very worried that I had walked into a dispute of some kind because I knew the stallion had moved, but it was all smoothed over quickly.
Not sure what's going on in this situation. Why would anyone NOT want a foal to be registered and raced if the fees were paid? I'd recommend being nice -- really nice-- and asking if they can explain to you why they would want their stallion to have an unraced, unregistered foal in his statistics. There might be something going on here that you are not aware of, like did they have a legal right to collect breeding fees on this stallion?
The second time it happened was this year. I was a little tardy in getting to my 2009 foal registration and I only had about 15 days left before the fees went up. Imagine my surprise when I noticed that there was no stallion certificate on file! I didn't have many days to resolve it and was really uptight. It turned out that the stallion had moved and the previous farm had somehow sent the certificates not to the JC but to another place, and they were all lost. Apparently all records of the horses bred were contained in the certificates envelope (not really buying that!) and the farm could not recreate the records. So the owner of the stallion could only sit and wait for outraged/worried owners to contact her. She was extremely apologetic and faxed it over to the JC that day, and mailed me a copy. I was very, very worried that I had walked into a dispute of some kind because I knew the stallion had moved, but it was all smoothed over quickly.
Not sure what's going on in this situation. Why would anyone NOT want a foal to be registered and raced if the fees were paid? I'd recommend being nice -- really nice-- and asking if they can explain to you why they would want their stallion to have an unraced, unregistered foal in his statistics. There might be something going on here that you are not aware of, like did they have a legal right to collect breeding fees on this stallion?
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