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Cloned gelding born in France
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Tairaterces
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Cloned gelding born in France
"and Secretariat let no one down on the unforgettable afternoon of June 9, 1973, when he ran a hole in the wind"
~Bob Ehalt~
Avatar: Istabraq (Sadler's Wells x Betty's Secret by Secretariat) Champion Hurdler
~Bob Ehalt~
Avatar: Istabraq (Sadler's Wells x Betty's Secret by Secretariat) Champion Hurdler
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Laurierace
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The horse wasn't cloned to do athletic feats, he was cloned to preserve the genes of a World Champion Endurance Horse who deserves to have his genes passed on.
If a World Champion doesn't deserve a shot at stud, who does?
This technique could very well be a boon to Stamina Laden lines. I rather see a real racehorse like Istabraq (or even a Clone of Istabraq) at stud than a vastly inferior racehorse who happens to have more speed. Anyway, some of these unraced horses by Storm Cat at stud probably couldn't beat Istabraq even at a 1/4 Mile...
It's certainly easier to work around too much stamina than too little soundness or too little talent. And especially is this so with a well-bred one like Istabraq.
The reason so many horses are unwanted is mainly due to people breeding mares who have no business being bred to poorly selected stallions who are no prize pigs themselves.
Culling has become a lost art in this Country. Perhaps the GSV of GWS will catch on like wildfire and help rectify this situation, but I wouldn't count on it.
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If a World Champion doesn't deserve a shot at stud, who does?
This technique could very well be a boon to Stamina Laden lines. I rather see a real racehorse like Istabraq (or even a Clone of Istabraq) at stud than a vastly inferior racehorse who happens to have more speed. Anyway, some of these unraced horses by Storm Cat at stud probably couldn't beat Istabraq even at a 1/4 Mile...
It's certainly easier to work around too much stamina than too little soundness or too little talent. And especially is this so with a well-bred one like Istabraq.
The reason so many horses are unwanted is mainly due to people breeding mares who have no business being bred to poorly selected stallions who are no prize pigs themselves.
Culling has become a lost art in this Country. Perhaps the GSV of GWS will catch on like wildfire and help rectify this situation, but I wouldn't count on it.
-llbean
Check out the rescue threads. There area literally tens of thousands of horses being slaughtered in the US each year. Why on earth would we need to clone one?
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What do those rescue horses have to do with preserving the DNA of this particular champion?
The article answers your question about why the european owners of the foal (not "we") needed to clone this particular horse. The issues addressed don't have anything to do with your generalization about the numbers of horses for rescue in the US.
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Cloning is not a carbon copy, much to everyone's dismay. You can pass on gene's to your hearts content and it will not equal passing on a world champion gene's. You can not simplify life to that level, it just doesn't work that way. You have the whole nature/nurture thing as well as the biggest factor being heart. How many champion racehorses were unable to pass along their heart?
This horse will either die from some genetic disorder or end up being gelded by 5 years old is my prediction. You want a champion, cultivate one, don't clone one.
This horse will either die from some genetic disorder or end up being gelded by 5 years old is my prediction. You want a champion, cultivate one, don't clone one.
Laurierace wrote:Check out the rescue threads. There area literally tens of thousands of horses being slaughtered in the US each year. Why on earth would we need to clone one? Add to the fact that there is a 0% chance this horse will equal his dna mates athletic feats, and I really see no reason for it.
Greed Laurie! Greed of money and greed of ego. Or maybe the French aren't getting enough horses to serve on their tables.
And why was this GREAT horse gelded in the first place if he was sooo Great.Oh I see,he wouldn't have reached his full potential unless he was gelded------or was he nasty-----or who knows what?As far as I am concerned if you make a decision to geld a colt then live with it if he turns out to be the worlds best.Marg.
The cloned horse's record:
http://www.doublejoy.com/erol/Individua ... rse=PIERAZ
Insight into the obsessed owner/rider:
http://www.enduro.com.br/eop04040.shtml
I've often had discussions with people who love their animals or even children dearly, as to whether they would want to clone them to keep them forever. Overwhelmingly, the feeling was always that they would prefer to have an offspring of the animal or person, produced naturally, rather than a scientifically produced genetic copy. The latter seems a bit spooky.
http://www.doublejoy.com/erol/Individua ... rse=PIERAZ
Insight into the obsessed owner/rider:
http://www.enduro.com.br/eop04040.shtml
I've often had discussions with people who love their animals or even children dearly, as to whether they would want to clone them to keep them forever. Overwhelmingly, the feeling was always that they would prefer to have an offspring of the animal or person, produced naturally, rather than a scientifically produced genetic copy. The latter seems a bit spooky.