Can anyone give me some insight into a mare named Old Bess? She seemed to be a pretty good producer, but was she considered a blue hen? Would a stallion with a pedigree that traces tail-female through both the sire and dam to Old Bess be a good thing?
Thanks!
Laurie
Old Bess?
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Hi Zia,
Old Bess has become a well regarded ancestress in Florida who isappearing in current pedigrees as the third dam of MONTBROOK (and 4th generation ofhis sons) and as the 4th dam of HALO'S IMAGE.
Her own best foals were the stakes winner O'CALLOWAY and stakes-placed Carrollton (both by Rough N' Tumble.
Bess was never bred to fashionable stallions (other than, in retrospect, Rough N' Tumble). Her early daughters either were bred lightly or not at all and to forgettable stallions. Her later daughters had some success and their daughters did in turn. The same is true of many of her (great) grand daughters. Her best daughters were:
Best Answer (1962 by My Request), produced stakes-placed Sugar Del who is the dam of SUGAR'S IMAGE (dam of HALO'S IMAGE), and Sugar Too (black type dam).
Patsy's Lil Girl, (1971 by Roi Dagobert) produced MIGHTY APPEALING (G1). Her daughter, Cricket Box, is the dam of OUTOFTHEBOX (thus inbred 4x3 to Old Bess). Another daughter, Girlish Appeal produced COTTAGE FLOWER.
Attache Case (1970 by Diplomat Way) produced WIDAAD who was a stakes winner and black-type dam in England. Secret Papers is the dam of MONTBROOK.
In evaluating Old Bess you need to look at the quality of stallions that she and her brood were bred to. Seems that when they got a chance, they've been solid producers of some quality race horses and otherwise they've been very ordinary. I have to suspect that many of the lesser foals never had the chance that more high profile families have had.
I'm sure that others can fill in the rest and I'm sure I've missed some.
Regards,
Pete
Old Bess has become a well regarded ancestress in Florida who isappearing in current pedigrees as the third dam of MONTBROOK (and 4th generation ofhis sons) and as the 4th dam of HALO'S IMAGE.
Her own best foals were the stakes winner O'CALLOWAY and stakes-placed Carrollton (both by Rough N' Tumble.
Bess was never bred to fashionable stallions (other than, in retrospect, Rough N' Tumble). Her early daughters either were bred lightly or not at all and to forgettable stallions. Her later daughters had some success and their daughters did in turn. The same is true of many of her (great) grand daughters. Her best daughters were:
Best Answer (1962 by My Request), produced stakes-placed Sugar Del who is the dam of SUGAR'S IMAGE (dam of HALO'S IMAGE), and Sugar Too (black type dam).
Patsy's Lil Girl, (1971 by Roi Dagobert) produced MIGHTY APPEALING (G1). Her daughter, Cricket Box, is the dam of OUTOFTHEBOX (thus inbred 4x3 to Old Bess). Another daughter, Girlish Appeal produced COTTAGE FLOWER.
Attache Case (1970 by Diplomat Way) produced WIDAAD who was a stakes winner and black-type dam in England. Secret Papers is the dam of MONTBROOK.
In evaluating Old Bess you need to look at the quality of stallions that she and her brood were bred to. Seems that when they got a chance, they've been solid producers of some quality race horses and otherwise they've been very ordinary. I have to suspect that many of the lesser foals never had the chance that more high profile families have had.
I'm sure that others can fill in the rest and I'm sure I've missed some.
Regards,
Pete
Just came across this thread
Half sister to OutoftheBox is tail female to Old Bess, and is dam of the highly regarded 3yof Unlimited Budget. Seems like something of quality pops up in this ff at least once a generation. What ever happened to OutoftheBox?
jm
Half sister to OutoftheBox is tail female to Old Bess, and is dam of the highly regarded 3yof Unlimited Budget. Seems like something of quality pops up in this ff at least once a generation. What ever happened to OutoftheBox?
jm
Run the race - the one that's really worth winning.
Joltman wrote:Just came across this thread
Half sister to OutoftheBox is tail female to Old Bess, and is dam of the highly regarded 3yof Unlimited Budget. Seems like something of quality pops up in this ff at least once a generation. What ever happened to OutoftheBox?
jm
I remember him when he was up at Sez Who in NY but after they closed down I lost track of him...