Who are the greatest mares to line breed? Some that come to mind include La Troienne, Almahmoud, Natalma, Somethingroyal, Special, Lalun, and others.
Here are a few horses line bred on great mares.
1. Bago by Nashwan-Moonlight's Box by Nureyev 4x5 Natalma 1st Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Grand Prix de Paris, Prix Jean Prat, etc.
2. Correggio by Sadler's Wells-Rosa Mundi by Secretariat 3x4 Thong 1996 Champion Steeplechaser
3. Charismatic by Summer Squall-Bali Babe by Drone 4x4x6 Somethingroyal 1999 Horse Of The Year Kentucky Derby, Preakness S.
4. Weekend Surprise by Secretariat-Lassie Dear by Buckpasser 2x4 Somethingroyal dam of Preakness winner Summer Squall and Belmont S. winner A. P. Indy
5. Coup de Folie by Halo-Raise The Standard by Hoiste The Flag 3x3 Almahmoud dam of Machiavellian and 3rd dam of Bago
6. Davona Dale by Best Turn-Royal Entrance by Tim Tam 4x4 Two Bob Winner of New York Filly Triple Crown, Kentucky Oaks and Black Eyed Susan S.
7. My Charmer by Poker-Fair Charmer by Jet Action 4x4 Baby League dam of Triple Crown winner Seattle Slew and Two Thousand Guineas S. winner Lomond
8. Johar by Gone West-Windsharp by Lear Fan 4x5 Somethingroyal, 4x5 Mixed Marriage Winner of Breeder's Cup Turf and Hollywood Derby
9. Ashado by Saint Ballado-Goulash by Mari's Book 3x5 Cosmah 4x5x6 Almahmoud Won Kentucky Oaks, CCA Oaks, and Breeder's Cup Distaff Champion Three Year Old Filly
10. Relaxing by Buckpasser-Marking Time by To Market 4x4 La Troienne Champion Older Mare and Broodmare of The Year and dam of Easy Goer and Cadillacing
11. Divine Proportions-Myth To Reality by Sadler's Wells 4x4 Special European Champion Two Year Old Filly
12. Angel Fever by Danzig-Rowdy Angel by Halo 4x4 Almahmoud dam of Kentucky Derby winner Fusaichi Pegasus
13. Pine Bluff by Danzig-Rowdy Angel by Halo 4x4 Almahmoud winner of Preakness S.
14. Elusive Quality by Gone West-Touch of Greatness by Hero's Honor 4x5 Somethingroyal sire of Smarty Jones
15. Unbridled by Fappiano-Gana Facil by Le Fabuleux 4x4 Aspidistra Won Kentucky Derby and Breeder's Cup Classic
16. Southern Halo by Halo-Northern Sea by Northern Dancer 3x4 Almahmoud Leading sire in Argentina for several years
17. Golden Missile by A.P. Indy-Santa Catalina by Cure The Blues winner of Pimlico Special and $2,194,510
18. Quiet American by Fappiano-Demure by Dr. Fager 3x4 Cequillo sire of Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner Real Quiet
19. Danehill by Danzig-Razyana by His Majesty 3x3 Natalma
To name a few
Who are the greatest mares to line breed?
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The best mares to line-bred will be found in the pedigrees of todays GR SW.
When you line-bred to these cluster mares you will be able to compete in the GR stakes with their offspring.
When a TB breeder doubles up on these superior individual mares, he will be building the foundation for future generations, through their sons and daughters.
One example of these types of matings is the filly Divine Porportions. DP pedigree is an example of what can happen when these cluster mares appear top and bottom in a pedigree of a great filly as DP.
After the 1st cross is made in line-bred family a breeder must revert back to the original line-bred family, or he will lose the dominance of that family performance wise.
When you line-bred to these cluster mares you will be able to compete in the GR stakes with their offspring.
When a TB breeder doubles up on these superior individual mares, he will be building the foundation for future generations, through their sons and daughters.
One example of these types of matings is the filly Divine Porportions. DP pedigree is an example of what can happen when these cluster mares appear top and bottom in a pedigree of a great filly as DP.
After the 1st cross is made in line-bred family a breeder must revert back to the original line-bred family, or he will lose the dominance of that family performance wise.
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Hopefully one day you will hear of another great racehorse:
Celestial Quest 2002 by Toolighttoquit o/o Eskimo Quest by Eskimo : 6x5x7 Almahmoud (3 crosses thru Northern Dancer) , 6x5x5 Aspidistra (Dr Fager), and 5 crosses to La Troienne thru 9 generations. And strains of Exclusive, Lalun, Tamerett, Straight Deal and Reply will hopefully put the icing on the cake.
Celestial Quest 2002 by Toolighttoquit o/o Eskimo Quest by Eskimo : 6x5x7 Almahmoud (3 crosses thru Northern Dancer) , 6x5x5 Aspidistra (Dr Fager), and 5 crosses to La Troienne thru 9 generations. And strains of Exclusive, Lalun, Tamerett, Straight Deal and Reply will hopefully put the icing on the cake.
Other horses that are line bred
Here are some more examples of line breeding
Rock Of Gibraltar by Danehill-Offshore Boom by Be My Guest 4x4x4 Natalma Winner of English 2,000 Guineas, Irish 2,000 Guineas,St. James Palace S., Sussex S., Prix du Moulin, Dewhurst S., Grand Criterium, Gimcrack S., Railway S., 2nd Breeder's Cup Mile
Fantastic Light by Rahy-Jood by Nijinsky II 5x5 Almahmoud Champion Turf Horse and winner of Breeder's Cup Turf
Beat Hollow by Sadler's Wells-Wemyss Bight by Dancing Brave 4x5 Lalun Winner of Arlington Million, Woodward Reserve Turf Classic, Manhattan H., Grand Prix de Paris
Indian Lodge by Grand Lodge -Repetitious by Northfields 3x4 Little Hut winner of Emirates Prix du Moulin de Logchamp, Prix de La Foret, etc.
Tobougg by Barathea-Lacovia by Majestic Light 4x5 Somethingroyal winner of Prix de laa Salamandre, Dewhurst S., 2nd Hong Kong Cup, 2nd Champion S., 3rd Epsom Derby
Minardi by Boundary-Yarn by Mr. Prospector 5x5 Knight's Daughter winner of Phoenix S., and Middle Park S.
Indian Danehill by Danehill-Danse Indienne by Green Dancer 4x4x5 Natalma Winner of Prix Ganay,etc.
Sequoyah by Sadlers Wells-Brigid by Irish River 4x5 Lalun Winner of Moyglare Stud S.-(IRE-Gr. I)
Endless Hall by Saddlers Hall-Endless Joy by Law Society 5x5 Thong winner of Gran Premio di Milano, Scottish Classic
Daliapour by Sadlers Wells-Dalara by Doyoun 4x5 Lalun winner of Coronation Cup, Hong Kong Vase, Ormonde S., Curragh Cup, Autumn S., 2nd Epsom Derby 2nd Irish Derby
Crimplene by Lion Cavern-Crimson Conquest by Diesis 4x5 Mixed Marriage Winner of Irish 1,000 Guineas, Coronation S., etc.
A few more examples
Rock Of Gibraltar by Danehill-Offshore Boom by Be My Guest 4x4x4 Natalma Winner of English 2,000 Guineas, Irish 2,000 Guineas,St. James Palace S., Sussex S., Prix du Moulin, Dewhurst S., Grand Criterium, Gimcrack S., Railway S., 2nd Breeder's Cup Mile
Fantastic Light by Rahy-Jood by Nijinsky II 5x5 Almahmoud Champion Turf Horse and winner of Breeder's Cup Turf
Beat Hollow by Sadler's Wells-Wemyss Bight by Dancing Brave 4x5 Lalun Winner of Arlington Million, Woodward Reserve Turf Classic, Manhattan H., Grand Prix de Paris
Indian Lodge by Grand Lodge -Repetitious by Northfields 3x4 Little Hut winner of Emirates Prix du Moulin de Logchamp, Prix de La Foret, etc.
Tobougg by Barathea-Lacovia by Majestic Light 4x5 Somethingroyal winner of Prix de laa Salamandre, Dewhurst S., 2nd Hong Kong Cup, 2nd Champion S., 3rd Epsom Derby
Minardi by Boundary-Yarn by Mr. Prospector 5x5 Knight's Daughter winner of Phoenix S., and Middle Park S.
Indian Danehill by Danehill-Danse Indienne by Green Dancer 4x4x5 Natalma Winner of Prix Ganay,etc.
Sequoyah by Sadlers Wells-Brigid by Irish River 4x5 Lalun Winner of Moyglare Stud S.-(IRE-Gr. I)
Endless Hall by Saddlers Hall-Endless Joy by Law Society 5x5 Thong winner of Gran Premio di Milano, Scottish Classic
Daliapour by Sadlers Wells-Dalara by Doyoun 4x5 Lalun winner of Coronation Cup, Hong Kong Vase, Ormonde S., Curragh Cup, Autumn S., 2nd Epsom Derby 2nd Irish Derby
Crimplene by Lion Cavern-Crimson Conquest by Diesis 4x5 Mixed Marriage Winner of Irish 1,000 Guineas, Coronation S., etc.
A few more examples
Hi Taino. Welcome to the forum. 
Interesting linebreeding on Celestial Quest (great name BTW). CQ has a lot riding on the quality of Dr. Mary Lou as a producer, but as a daughter of Dr. Fager she should have a pretty good shot to pass on talent. From a genetic standpoint, my concerns would be if this mare is conformationally correct or tends to throw correct offspring.
Further back, the reinforcements of Aspidistra, Almahmoud and La Troienne are definite proven positives, and I love to see Lalun in a pedigee, as well.
I wish you all the best with Celestial Quest. Would love to hear about her future successes.
As for the list of great mares to linebreed to, I would add Rough Shod. But if you have linebreeding through Mocassin or Thong (or Special), you've got Rough Shod.
Laurie
Laurie
Interesting linebreeding on Celestial Quest (great name BTW). CQ has a lot riding on the quality of Dr. Mary Lou as a producer, but as a daughter of Dr. Fager she should have a pretty good shot to pass on talent. From a genetic standpoint, my concerns would be if this mare is conformationally correct or tends to throw correct offspring.
Further back, the reinforcements of Aspidistra, Almahmoud and La Troienne are definite proven positives, and I love to see Lalun in a pedigee, as well.
I wish you all the best with Celestial Quest. Would love to hear about her future successes.
As for the list of great mares to linebreed to, I would add Rough Shod. But if you have linebreeding through Mocassin or Thong (or Special), you've got Rough Shod.
Laurie
Laurie
So many pedigrees...so little time. (C)
Hi ZiaLand. Thanks for the warm welcome.
Celestial, the first horse I ever bred, actually has really nice conformation (good knees, pasterns, etc), and an even nicer attitude towards training. Pins her ears if a horse comes close, gets into the bit, etc. And seems to have a huge tank, because she doesn't comes back winded from her gallops. Took to the gate training like she'd seen it all her life, but I guess since I raised her like a child, she trusts whatever us humans ask her to do. I decided to wait to put her in training because Peter Tatersalls trained her mother for John Franks, and said she had loads of talent, but he had problems keeping her sound (ankles). So I thought more time would help. We did have an EPM scare after about 3 weeks of training, but the situation seems to have resolved itself. I also have her half-sister by In Case who looks and acts even better than big sis. Mom is in foal to my Marquetry stallion for an April foal. I definitely have my fingers crossed.
Celestial, the first horse I ever bred, actually has really nice conformation (good knees, pasterns, etc), and an even nicer attitude towards training. Pins her ears if a horse comes close, gets into the bit, etc. And seems to have a huge tank, because she doesn't comes back winded from her gallops. Took to the gate training like she'd seen it all her life, but I guess since I raised her like a child, she trusts whatever us humans ask her to do. I decided to wait to put her in training because Peter Tatersalls trained her mother for John Franks, and said she had loads of talent, but he had problems keeping her sound (ankles). So I thought more time would help. We did have an EPM scare after about 3 weeks of training, but the situation seems to have resolved itself. I also have her half-sister by In Case who looks and acts even better than big sis. Mom is in foal to my Marquetry stallion for an April foal. I definitely have my fingers crossed.
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My trainer, who also gallops her, says she is a medium framed horse, but still hasn't tucked up yet, only being in training for about 2 months, with enough bone to support her body. She eats and drinks like a pig, according to the trainer. She feels that she would be classified as a medium build once she is finished growing and filling out. She's shorter backed, built more for speed and standing about 15.3, very proportioned.
Taino, what's the name of your Marquetry stallion?
I have a daughter of Look See, another son of Conquistador Cielo but whose dam was a daughter of Danzig instead of Vice Regent. You might be interested to know that Look See was a very successful regional sire here in New Mexico. Unfortunately, he was killed in a pasture accident after only producing five crops. My mare is one of his last foals. His most notable offspring was daughter Yulla Yulla, who ran out over $440,000 including stakes wins (21 wins in all).
Laurie
I have a daughter of Look See, another son of Conquistador Cielo but whose dam was a daughter of Danzig instead of Vice Regent. You might be interested to know that Look See was a very successful regional sire here in New Mexico. Unfortunately, he was killed in a pasture accident after only producing five crops. My mare is one of his last foals. His most notable offspring was daughter Yulla Yulla, who ran out over $440,000 including stakes wins (21 wins in all).
Laurie
So many pedigrees...so little time. (C)
His name is Precious Marque. He's o/o the Java Gold mare Set for Gold, a half to Twice the Vice. He didn't win much money, but he did beat Shake You Down. He looks good, showed heart in his races, and is throwing some great looking foals, the first one doing really well at our Yearling Show this year. Wish me luck!!!!!
Line Bred Horses of 2006
Line Bred Horse of 2006
Jazil 5x5 Traffic Court winner of Belmont S.
Seek Gold 4x5 Two Lea winner of Stephen Foster H.
Keyed Entry 4x5 Grand Splendor winner of Hutcheson S.
just to name a few
Jazil 5x5 Traffic Court winner of Belmont S.
Seek Gold 4x5 Two Lea winner of Stephen Foster H.
Keyed Entry 4x5 Grand Splendor winner of Hutcheson S.
just to name a few
Jazil and Keyed Entry are good examples, but it’s Seek Gold’s dam who has female family inbreeding, not Seek Gold himself. His dam, Aly’s Adita, is inbred to Two Lea 4x3.
Another horse bred like that is Bluegrass Cat. His dam, She’s A Winner, is inbred 5x6 to Glamour.
Third place Belmont finisher Sunriver is a rare double Ramussen Factor, having Cosmah 3x5, and her dam, Almahmoud, 4x5x6. Lauren Stich's 6/13/06 column in the DRF mentions other recent examples, including Stevie Wonderboy. He has Weekend Surprise 3x3.
Another horse bred like that is Bluegrass Cat. His dam, She’s A Winner, is inbred 5x6 to Glamour.
Third place Belmont finisher Sunriver is a rare double Ramussen Factor, having Cosmah 3x5, and her dam, Almahmoud, 4x5x6. Lauren Stich's 6/13/06 column in the DRF mentions other recent examples, including Stevie Wonderboy. He has Weekend Surprise 3x3.
Taino wrote:My trainer, who also gallops her, says she is a medium framed horse, but still hasn't tucked up yet, only being in training for about 2 months, with enough bone to support her body. She eats and drinks like a pig, according to the trainer. She feels that she would be classified as a medium build once she is finished growing and filling out. She's shorter backed, built more for speed and standing about 15.3, very proportioned.
Getting and keeping the weight off of her is extremely important, IMO. Of course my advice comes from experience with a very talented filly who had loads of talent, loved to eat (and no one seemed to pay much attention to that fact), so she ended up with ankle problems that keep sending her to the layup barn.
I'd also advise, keeping her on Adequan IM to keep the joint cartilage destroying enzymes at bay. And not training until 3, would also be high on my list of "suggestions" for keeping ankle issues at bay.
Best of luck with her!