How to get into the breeding biz small scale???

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How to get into the breeding biz small scale???

Postby summerhorse » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:55 pm

This is kind of a place for newbies to pick more experienced people's brains on starting a brood mare band or racing stable all under one topic.

I doubt I'll EVER have enough money to get into breeding at the kind of level I'd want to (and after doing so much rescue I have to admit I'm REALLy picky about what horses should get bred). So this is pretty hypothetical...

But say I won the Lottery and had $2-3 million to burn. :D (Hey it could happen...)

My plan (I'm in FL) would be to haunt the sales and classifieds for a couple three nice broodmares (not too young, not too old) with strong bottom lines, as correct as i could get conformation wise, pedigree wise, etc. I'd want SOUND pedigrees and some black type and winners in each generation (unless there was some good reason i.e. dam died). I'd look in the $50,000-200,000 price range.

No interest in standing any stallions, I'd rather pick and choose from the many fine stallions out there in KY and FL and get different sires for each mare each year so if I got good replacement fillies they'd not all be related as much.

Not sure I could find a trainer that would take a newbie with my philosophies (LOL calling Afleet Alex's trainer...) but I'd rather sell the colts and keep the fillies to race. Unless the colt really seemed NICE then race him and sell as a stallion prospect if he makes it, geld and sell as sport horse if not or keep as riding horse.

I'd also go to the weanling/yearling sales and try to pick up 2-4 really nice fillies with as nice a pedigree and conformation as I could afford to and either keep to race/breed or pinhook. I really kind of like the pinhooking game, esp. since pedigree doesn't seem as important as athletic ability. I abhor 2 yo in training sales though so that might be a problem. Even if I didn't sell them there my selling yearlings that might very well end up there is pretty much the same.

I have no desire to have mountains of horses. I'd rather have a VERY GOOD herd of 10-20 total then a mediocre herd of 100.

Being aware that not even great pedigrees make it on the track conformation would be as important as pedigree to me. I'd spot the pedigree but say yeah or "neigh" on the conformation unless they went DIRT CHEAP and it was something that could be worked around (Real Quiet and Easy Goer had issues and did OK with them as I recall! 8) )

Another thing about having fewer mares to breed is that I'd be able to breed to the better stallions because I'd have more fee money to spend per mare. After reading through the stallion register last night I noticed that fee doesn't equal performance, I'd choose the stallions well first by what I could afford then rank them by % of runners from starters, winners and more importantly SWs (the average stallion is 5% or less regardless of fee, the good ones are 7-11% it seems and the great ones are 14% and up). Of course the great ones probably are WAY out of reach in fees. I'd also travel around and try to see some babies from these guys (to see if any faults were showing up consistently) and if I was thinking of selling also consider the sales figures for that stallion.

I don't have much interest in running in the claiming ranks (too risky for the heart) and doubt I'd be very successful there anyway, I'd rather race a few horses at the upper levels than a ton of claimers. And I think the only way to get them on a "budget" LOL of $3 million and under would be to get them as weanlings or yearlings and breed a few yourself. The prices for good racing prospects (proven or otherwise) would sure eat up $3 million in a HURRY with no guarantee they wouldn't break down next out.

i guess I'm much more interested in breeding good horses than in the racing end although everyone wants a winner. Every time my horse stepped on the track my heart would be in my throat he'd break down. But once sold it wouldn't be so bad. QUITE so bad... :roll:
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Postby Ryeno » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:11 pm

Easiest way to end up with a million dollars in the racing game...........start with 3 million :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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Postby summerhorse » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:24 pm

LOL exactly, this would definitely be as much for fun as business! :mrgreen:
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Postby Sam » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:31 pm

See, this is why I don't think I could ever convince myself to get into the breeding aspect. I don't WANT the mares or stallions for that matter.

I'd be far more inclined to snatch up a mare ONLY to breed her to a specific stallion ... get the foal and flip the mare. It's like that F-T thread in the sales section ... why do something that you know you are most likely to lose money at unless it is truly a matter of "hobby" and you have the kind of discretionary income available to take the financial loss?

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Postby summerhorse » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:35 pm

I think pretty much any horse "business" except boarding and training need to be considered as much a hobby as anything unless you have unlimited funds or another job. Because they can sure eat up yourmoney in a hurry! But there is great satisfaction in picking a very good mare, finding just the right (good) stallion for her and hopefully producing an even better foal. Whether you sell them or keep them to race you still get those breeder awards in the right state... :D
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Postby Sam » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:41 pm

summerhorse wrote:But there is great satisfaction in picking a very good mare, finding just the right (good) stallion for her and hopefully producing an even better foal. Whether you sell them or keep them to race you still get those breeder awards in the right state... :D

Exactly ... yeah it's nice to dream about having bragging rights on having bred a Derby winner ... that's never been my motivation. I just want something I can watch run once a month and have fun with. That's why horses like Running Stag appeal to me far more than Vindication.

There's this KKris mare that I've been drooling over for a year now. I don't want HER .. I want to get my hands on her long enough to get her bred to Mercer Mill, wean the colt and sell the mare.

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Postby Morningside » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:48 pm

sam, maybe you should consider leasing a mare?

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Postby innisfail » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:01 pm

So if you were to get into the breeding biz on a small scale, Where would be the best place to start? There are several options between Lexington, Ocala, Saratoga Springs, etc.. Which state or breeding area do you think would be the best place for a startup breeding business?

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Postby innisfail » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:01 pm

So if you were to get into the breeding biz on a small scale, Where would be the best place to start? There are several options between Lexington, Ocala, Saratoga Springs, etc.. Which state or breeding area do you think would be the best place for a startup breeding business?

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Postby Sam » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:03 pm

Morningside wrote:sam, maybe you should consider leasing a mare?

That's what I plan on doing when I'm finally in position to do so. I've a couple casual racing fan friends that have made noises about going in on a horse together ... I refuse to do that. Money and friendships don't mix well in my experience.

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Postby Morningside » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:21 pm

sam, as long as you do it for fun, i dont think it will ruin your friendship... it's not like you're selling a horse to a friend and then the horse doesn't run... it should be fun as long as you all have the same objective

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Postby Sam » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:36 pm

Morningside wrote:sam, as long as you do it for fun, i dont think it will ruin your friendship... it's not like you're selling a horse to a friend and then the horse doesn't run... it should be fun as long as you all have the same objective

Yeah, but money does weird things to people and since I'm the one they keep thinking will pick the horse, that's not something I want to deal with.

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Postby Sam » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:44 pm

innisfail wrote:Which state or breeding area do you think would be the best place for a startup breeding business?

New Mexico.

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Postby hemphill » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:56 pm

Oh Summerhorse, once you do get to realize your dream, NEVER say its just a hobby. You want to run it with a business plan to make money so you can at least write losses off on your taxes and survive an audit. It sounds like you already have a business plan. Buy those lotto tickets.

Sam, Mercer Mill is a good-looking boy. Good luck on getting your mare.

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Postby Sam » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:02 pm

hemphill wrote:Sam, Mercer Mill is a good-looking boy. Good luck on getting your mare.

Thanks, but I'd say it's a pipe dream right now. I'm looking to finish my BS in Criminal Psych finally (looking at some ugly student loan payments) and I just blew up my car ... AGAIN. The damn thing is possessed, I know it. It hates me and I'm not all that fond of it.