CANADIAN TC ?

[louis finochio]

I was told that their is no TC for Canadian TB. Is this true ?

If their is a TC, what are the dates and spacing of the TC races.

[Barbaro06]

There is indeed a Canadian Triple Crown. Here are the races that make up the series:

Queen's Plate, held at Woodbine in June
Prince of Wales Stakes, held at Fort Erie Racetrack in July
Breeder's Stakes, held at Woodbine in August

Here are the horses and years they won it:

New Providence (1959)
Canebora (1963)
With Approval (1989)
Izvestia (1990)
Dance Smartly (1991)
Peteski (1993)
Wando (2003)

[wilf]

Also Louis the Plate is a mile and a quarter and the Prince of Wales is a mile and three sixteenths , both on the dirt while the Breeders Crown is a mile and a half on the turf so you see it takes an adaptable horse to sweep the triple.

[Gallop58]

QP = June 25
PoW= July 16
BS= Aug 6

QP- 21 days-PoW-20 days-Breeders.

[MyStormyBaby]

Also, since we're getting Polytrack here at Woodbine later this summer, this year's Plate will be the last run on dirt -- future TC winners will have to be even more adaptable

[louis finochio]

Congrats to those Canadian horseman for spacing those TC races. Those Canadian TB will have their reserves still intact, instead of running on E.

[Sam]

Congrats to those Canadian horseman for spacing those TC races. Those Canadian TB will have their reserves still intact, instead of running on E.

WHAT!?



You can't be serious, Louis.

You really think ONE EXTRA WEEK between their first two races makes THAT much difference?

So instead of having theirs in 5 weeks, they do it in 6.

You call that spacing?

I call that BS.

[louis finochio]

Sam: If your Tb is still sore on the 4th day and is scheduled to work on that day, a novice trainer will go ahead and work him and will be sorry he did.

An old school trainer will walk his Tb on the 4th day, and will not work him until his soreness is gone. Thats why the novice trainer will breakdown his TB and the old school trainer will not.

Sometimes only days makes the difference instead of 1 week, for these Tb to regain their soundness.

Trainer Carla Gaines is one of my favorite trainers as Carla watches her TB walk on her tow ring, Carla is looking for Tb that are off or sore in their walking.

If Carla Gaines trained for the Juddmonte Farms Carla would be just as successful as Bobby Frankel. I love Carla's style of training.

[Sam]

I'm not saying 1 week can't make a difference. I'm saying I think it's pretty contradictory of you to admonish people for running in the American TC (spaced out over 5 weeks) and say those races need to be a month apart only to commend the Canadian TC for 'having their races spaced properly' over 6 weeks when those races are only 3 weeks apart.

Actually, it's not even a full week difference, it's 6 days.

You're decrying the American TC and commending the Candian one when they are run in essentially the SAME time span.

That's how politians get elected ... and it's called talking out of both sides of their mouth.

[Heidilady]

In terms of spacing, I found it interesting that Count Fleet ran the Preakness one week after the Derby with a 4 week gap til the Belmont. Then they went 'well hey that's too much time before the Belmont, let's run him in the Withers too..'

So basically he did 4 races in the same Derby to Belmont timespan. What a horse. I just figure it's less than 10 years (more like 7.5 I think but I could do the math again later) on average between winners from the first TC winner to this year. If it were only a 4-5 year average between winners, people would start to say it was happening too often. They almost did with the several dual winners we had in a row. Seems like there's some relative clustering between groups of TC winners so relax folks, they'll get here.

[Sam]

So basically he did 4 races in the same Derby to Belmont timespan. What a horse. I just figure it's less than 10 years (more like 7.5 I think but I could do the math again later) on average between winners from the first TC winner to this year. If it were only a 4-5 year average between winners, people would start to say it was happening too often. They almost did with the several dual winners we had in a row. Seems like there's some relative clustering between groups of TC winners so relax folks, they'll get here.

I figure with the fact that we've had 21 dual classic winners (5 in the last 6 years) and 3 triple crown winners in the last 35 years, the spacing is just fine and it's only a matter of time before someone else pulls it off.

Personally, I DON'T want to see a triple crown winner in my lifetime. I know damn well the horse will have his butt on a van to KY before the last fan has left Belmont and we'll never see him race again. We have a hard enough time keeping dual classic winners from retiring early because the insurance companies force them too, do you REALLY think a triple crown winner will race again?

[louis finochio]

Count Fleet made 21 lifetime starts and was a TC winner as champions are born of outcrossing.

When you compare CF outcross pedigree compared to todays watered down Phalaris fiacso pedigrees, one can see why these TB of today are averaging 7 lifetime starts.

The TB of today are telling us TB breeders to outcross with those NP sire lines to bring back the soundness in the breed, but nobody is listening.

Barbaro had an outcross pedigree that would have had a great chance to become a TC winner. It just wasnt meant to be.

When you looked at Barbaro's conformation, you could see the outcross gave him that robust frame and apearance of a champion. Barbaro had an intelligent eye that jumped out at you.

Lets hope and pray Barbaro makes it back and lives a long and healthy life.