Slewbe Jet - A dark palomino rather than a chestnut?

[jellac]

I just saw this horse come in 3rd at Pimlico after giving up the lead grudginly at the top of the stretch to the eventual winner and a closer for a close second.

This gelding is listed as a chestnut but I have not seen a TB chestnut with such a contrast between it's light chestnut coat color and flaxen - or blonde - mane and tail. Both were distinctly differently and lighter colored than the body coat of this horse, a light chestnut. The tail was particularly notable as it's base/root was of the coat color while all the long tail was fully blonde/flaxen.

Question for the color breeders - is this horse a true chestnut or carrying perhaps one copy of the dilute gene?

[summerhorse]

Well if you follow his bottom bottom line ALL the way back it does go back to Darcy's yellow Turk (as well as Creme Cheeks on the sire side a little closer up) but without a picture of him or his maternal line it is impossible to guess. It doesn't appear that any of the sires close up could be hiding a creme gene at all. Northfields and Northjet were both flashy chestnuts with some flax although not THAT much flax. Could be someone also liked the look and helped it along with some miss Clairol or peroxide. Any way to get a picture??

[summerhorse]

Here's a pic: http://www.monmouthpark.com/news.asp?id=5326

I'm guessing flaxen chestnut by that picture.

[jellac]

I have no way of getting a photo but thought maybe someone from the East Coast might be able to supply one?

Also just watched a S. American bred "Mangas Colorados" win at Monmouth. His name means "Colored Sleeves" and though to me he appeared to bay or very dark gray, almost black he had these weird markings on both shoulders that I thought might be lather or something but after hearing the translation of his name I understand to be his real markings. Most unusual - anyone from New Jersy who can tell me if this horse is gray - not yet grayed out - or an unusually marked bay?

[jellac]

cancelling double post

[Nerd]

looks like that was a fun day at the races. Did you notice Rock The Rainbow, in the same race as Slewbe Jet? As of a couple months ago, he had some fairly spectacular tetrarch spots, although he is greying out so that might have changed. And Spooky Mulder was there too

The flaxen mane and tail are much more common in TBs (even on bays!) than the cream gene, which causes palomino etc. There are to my knowledge only two lines in the modern TB, tracing back to Milkie and Glitter Please, that carry this mutation. I find it extremely unlikely that Slewbe Jet has it.

Can anyone post the pedigree for Mangas Colorados?

[summerhorse]

There are actually a couple of lines in Europe and possibly one in Japan. Could be others running under the radar.

But i don't think this guy is one.

[jellac]

Nerd - I DID see Rock The Rainbow and am happy to report his Tetrarch spots still stand out quite a bit even on the rather poor video feed as he was not heavily "folowed" by the cameras...but he did catch my eye.

[Jorge]

Dear Jellac,

Thank you so much for posting this interesting case. Interesting case.

Would like to see posted the pedigree of MANGAS COLORADAS. I suppose his name is MANGAS COLORADAS rather than MANGAS COLORADOS but you never know with some of these invented names. In Spanish, most words are "masculine" or "femenine" and the word for sleeves, which is MANGAS, is femenine, which means that COLORADAS (feminine) is the way to go rather than COLORADOS (masculine). But again who knows!

[Jorge]

Just confirmed that his name is MANGAS COLORADAS. Still don't know his pedigree.

[Pan Zareta]

Would like to see posted the pedigree of MANGAS COLORADAS.

Just put 3 of them in the db. You probably mean the '02, but there are also 1978 & 1989 model Mangas Coloradas, and that's just from North America.

PZ

[summerhorse]

What does MANGAS COLORADAS look like?

[Sam]

Here's a pic: http://www.monmouthpark.com/news.asp?id=5326

I'm guessing flaxen chestnut by that picture.

Agreed. Looks like Flame Thrower. Definitely NOT a palomino.

[summerhorse]

Here's where Magnas Coloradas gets his name anyway: http://www.legendarysurfers.com/naw/blog/
About 1/4 down a very long page.

[hoof hearted]

The creme gene or dilute (in quarter horse circles) can only be passed from parent to foal directly. It doesn't skip a generation and pop up without warning. It is one of many modifiers that affect coat colors. Dilute only modifies red based coat colors, not black. The only affect you will see on black is a smokey look that is often mistaken for a coat color known as brown.