Big Brown and the Triple Crown

[gmj828]

I'm blown away at the amount of people that are rooting against Big Brown. What's up with that? Pulling for some new shooter, horse of the minute named Casino Drive? Betting on some Derby/Preakness also ran? Why?
I guess if your trying to win $$ you have to root against BB but I wouldn't even waste my money on a wager against cause you won't beat him.
"Weak 3 year old crop", "Who has he beaten?", "I hate his connections"
Seems to me like many are living in the past. "Big Brown isn't as good as (fill in name of any stakes horse from 30+ years ago)
WHO CARES? He's the best 3 year old right now and denying that fact just makes you look silly.

Big Brown=1927 Yankees.

[gmj828]

I'm blown away at the amount of people that are rooting against Big Brown. What's up with that? Pulling for some new shooter, horse of the minute named Casino Drive? Betting on some Derby/Preakness also ran? Why?
I guess if your trying to win $$ you have to root against BB but I wouldn't even waste my money on a wager against cause you won't beat him.
"Weak 3 year old crop", "Who has he beaten?", "I hate his connections"
Seems to me like many are living in the past. "Big Brown isn't as good as (fill in name of any stakes horse from 30+ years ago)
WHO CARES? He's the best 3 year old right now and denying that fact just makes you look silly.

We don't need a Triple Crown winner but I'd sure as hell would love to see one this year.

Big Brown=1927 Yankees.

[bdw0617]

I'm blown away at the amount of people that are rooting against Big Brown. What's up with that? Pulling for some new shooter, horse of the minute named Casino Drive? Betting on some Derby/Preakness also ran? Why?
I guess if your trying to win $$ you have to root against BB but I wouldn't even waste my money on a wager against cause you won't beat him.
"Weak 3 year old crop", "Who has he beaten?", "I hate his connections"
Seems to me like many are living in the past. "Big Brown isn't as good as (fill in name of any stakes horse from 30+ years ago)
WHO CARES? He's the best 3 year old right now and denying that fact just makes you look silly.

We don't need a Triple Crown winner but I'd sure as hell would love to see one this year.

Big Brown=1927 Yankees.

there is no national convention where people get together and conspire to hate on big brown. there are valid reasons not to like anyone.

He really hasn't beaten anyone. and I like the darn horse! that doesn't mean he CAN'T beat anyone, but he hasn't to date. at least not another grade 1 calibur dirt horse.

What's up with that?

1. trainer is a ex drug user who has been banned for using drugs
2. owners have made it known they are in it for the money
3. trainer has admited to drugging the horse
4. horse has bad feet
5. horse has un kentuckyesque pedigree
6. horse has only raced 5 times
7. he really hasn't beaten anyone


do I need to go on? there are reasons for people who don't like him not to like him.


I like him, but for me more than anything i think he is a tad bit overrated. his races look better than they actually are because he's beating up on horses who don't belong in graded staks races for the most part, let alone horses who aren't grade 1 horses. His numbers, and I'm not a numbers guy when it comes to form, but they are a decent reference point, are not eye popping by any stretch, except in the florida derby

[gmj828]

1. trainer is a ex drug user who has been banned for using drugs
Not for me to judge the mistakes he's made. I am human too.
He's paid the price and looks to me like he's turned his life around.

2. owners have made it known they are in it for the money
So is every person who wagers on horse racing

3. trainer has admited to drugging the horse
This is a legal practice.

4. horse has bad feet
Even more reason to admire what he has done

5. horse has un kentuckyesque pedigree
What the hell does that mean?

6. horse has only raced 5 times
Get used to it. That is the state of racing today.

7. he really hasn't beaten anyone
This is the same dumb argument people pose when they say stuff like
"Yeah they won the Super Bowl but they had a weak schedule"

Big Brown has demolished every horse he has faced-what else can you ask of him?

[bdw0617]

oh my gosh you are missing the point.

the point isnt' rather those points are right or wrong, you wasted your time going though refuting each point. that's your opinion on each matter.


it's because of those issues however that some people have issue with HIM! that's the point.

[WARHORSE28]

I don't want to chase a rabbit out of context. But, how on earth does anything get done without dreaming? Keep it up LG - and any of you that are aiming for a classic winner. I hope that your results exceed your wildest expectations. As for millions, it would be nice to have enough to blow it on a horse or two. Personally, can't relate to that in any way, shape, or form. However, life is short. Why not enjoy it?

Others have said it much better than I ever could...

"Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is like a broken wing'd bird that can not fly." - Langston Hughes
"To love what you do and feel that it matters, how on earth could anything be more fun." - Katherine Graham

"What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you become by achieving your goals." - Zig Ziglar

“If you are never scared, embarrassed, or hurt, it means you never take chances." - Julia Soul

“Hide not your talents. They for use were made. What's a sundial in the shade?" - Ben Franklin

"If you can DREAM it, you can DO it." - famous quote from Walt Disney

"In each of us are places where we have never gone. Only by pressing the limits do you ever find them." - Dr Joyce Brothers

“Consult not your fears but your hopes and your dreams. Think not about your frustrations, but about your unfulfilled potential. Concern yourself not with what you tried and failed in, but with what it is still possible for you to do." - Pope John XXIII

"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you" - Jim Rohn

"When you know what you want, and you want it bad enough, you will find a way to get it" - Jim Rohn

"It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters to what lies within us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

"People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within." - Elizabeth Kübler-Ross

"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." - Colette

"And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more." - Erica Jong

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Thank you, Bayrabicano. Without the passion, what's the point?

[larrygene]

Ditto, Bay!!!

[Sam]

Thank you, Bayrabicano. Without the passion, what's the point?

The implication being that if you aren't delusional you have no passion for the sport or the horses. Moronic, simpleton pigeon-holing. Whatever. Like I said, there's a difference between dream and delusion. I dream, I'm just not delusional.

As for the original question -- If he does it in a cake walk, then no, I don't want him to win. I'm not impressed by large margins of victory against outclassed fields. I want to see a real horse race, not Ghostzapper running in a 25k Claimer. The last two races have been boring as hell, I'm hoping for better in the Belmont. I'd rather him beaten by Casino Drive or Denis of Cork than walk away from them all. Not wanting the horse to win does NOT equal hatred so get the hell over it.

And that implication that if a person finds fault with the horse that obviously means they hate them... hate is an extremely strong word by people lacking the ability to understand anything beyond simple emotions. I don't hate the horse. It's a horse. So please keep those idiot comments to yourself (and that goes to EVERYONE, not just the one poster who made the comment here).

[gunner99]

I think we should all enjoy what BB has accomplished thus far. I am only in my 30's so these may be a stupid questions...

Besides Alydar does anyone remember the horses that Affirmed put away?

How about Secretariat?

Were the horses that they beat considered the best 3yr olds at the time? I am not saying that Affirmed and Secretariat were not phenomenal horses because that would be foolish, so don't bash. All I am saying is that BB has earned his stripes so far. Every week we watch these prep races saying that whoever wins is the one (War Pass, Pyro, etc..). I watched that Fla. Derby and as soon as he crossed the finish line I said he would win the TC. Take the trainer and owners out of the equation and we have a special horse that has overcome some nagging foot problems that would have sidelined many. We will all see on June 7th. Maybe he will and maybe he won't do it but it has been fun watching.

[gunner99]

I think we should all enjoy what BB has accomplished thus far. I am only in my 30's so these may be a stupid questions...

Besides Alydar does anyone remember the horses that Affirmed put away?

How about Secretariat?

Were the horses that they beat considered the best 3yr olds at the time? I am not saying that Affirmed and Secretariat were not phenomenal horses because that would be foolish, so don't bash. All I am saying is that BB has earned his stripes so far. Every week we watch these prep races saying that whoever wins is the one (War Pass, Pyro, etc..). I watched that Fla. Derby and as soon as he crossed the finish line I said he would win the TC. Take the trainer and owners out of the equation and we have a special horse that has overcome some nagging foot problems that would have sidelined many. We will all see on June 7th. Maybe he will and maybe he won't do it but it has been fun watching.

[WARHORSE28]

I think we should all enjoy what BB has accomplished thus far. I am only in my 30's so these may be a stupid questions...

Besides Alydar does anyone remember the horses that Affirmed put away?

How about Secretariat?

Were the horses that they beat considered the best 3yr olds at the time? I am not saying that Affirmed and Secretariat were not phenomenal horses because that would be foolish, so don't bash. All I am saying is that BB has earned his stripes so far. Every week we watch these prep races saying that whoever wins is the one (War Pass, Pyro, etc..). I watched that Fla. Derby and as soon as he crossed the finish line I said he would win the TC. Take the trainer and owners out of the equation and we have a special horse that has overcome some nagging foot problems that would have sidelined many. We will all see on June 7th. Maybe he will and maybe he won't do it but it has been fun watching.

Gunner: Were there other horses racing in the spring in 1978 besides Affirmed and Alydar??? Seriously, the only other name I remember from that year is Believe It. (Check his pedigree!) He was considered third best that year.

As for Secretariat, he routinely defeated Sham, Stop the Music, Big Spruce, Kennedy Road... He was clearly the best of a very talented crop of 3-year-olds in 1973.

Like you, I am enjoying watching BB this year. I haven't seen that good of a turn of foot in a very long time.

[larrygene]

Guys I'm old enough to have seen the Affirmed/Alydar duels and also Secretariat's unbelievable Belmont win. One was a match race between two gallant warriors and the other was the annihilation of a good field of horses and the track record by 31 lengths. Both were equally exciting!!! Today I have a print called The Duel--Affirmed/Alydar painted by Fred Stone, autographed by him and Steve Cauthen hanging in my living room. Both TC's are very memorable!! I think after 30 years a TC winner will be just as memorable as the above. Here's hoping we have number 12.

[WARHORSE28]

Larry: Me, too. I'm older than dirt.

[Barbaro06]

What got me was the quick patch job on the latest crack. Yeah, small and perhaps insignificant, but to me it looked like a rush job. Get the horse back to the track, he's getting keyed up in the stall, can't have him fresh for the Belmont, he'll run rank and perhaps lose the race because he hasn't been training.

I'm not keen on him, but I have my concerns about him.

[larrygene]

BB can't help his foot problem but I believe he is one of the most intelligent acting racehorses I've seen in many a year. Nothing seems to rattle him. He's always very aware of his surroundings. He looks like he doesn't miss a thing. Walking over in the KD and the Preakness he never turned a hair over the hugh crowds. What a fantastic racing mind!!!! When he galloped out after each race jogging back his breathing was such I don't believe he could have blown a candle out. And if you saw them taking him back to the barn after the Preakness victory he didn't have a wet spot on him, not even under the saddlecloth. Whether he wins the TC or not in my eyes he is one special racehorse. I've owned many in my day and been around them for over 50 years and BB is special. He is a horseman's horse.