Rachel Alexandra

[bdw0617]

possible? I don't think there is any question.

this field today is tougher than the 10 million dollar world cup will be.



the 10 MILLION DOLLAR WORLD CUP.


10 MILLELLLIION DOLLAR world cup

[wangkw]

I still think thats wrong, if you want equality you gotta do what others are doing,carty the same weight. But unfortunatly its not equal. I fully understand why the owners of the colts would complain. And Im a fillly owner.

How to get absolute equality in racing which is a multi-party affair in the first place.

Most critical is birth date. Some might have advantage over others by months..remember that weigh a lot for 3 years old.
And the definition of ages in different hemi ?

And the post position ? On earth you cant find a straight course for long races so that runners are only
allowed to move staright free of interference. Like GP where pole matters a lot in a competitive field.

If speed and durability are all about racing..how about the ridership ? Their riders are not equal, definitely. Quality and
experience of their trainers ?

Just my 1/4 cent of view.

[Heidilady]

I still think thats wrong, if you want equality you gotta do what others are doing,carty the same weight. But unfortunatly its not equal. I fully understand why the owners of the colts would complain. And Im a fillly owner.

That's the whole point, supposedly the 5 lb difference gives you equality. I happen to think if horses can run under regular sized riders in the morning, they shouldn't need 115 lb jockeys. Hard Spun hauled Larry Jones around just fine and the man's huge. Still, it's tradition. Fillies always have carried less in this situation. Nobody gripes about it, not really. They know if they get a filly in there, they'll want it too. And why not have it--just to prove a point? Nobody's gonna go 'well sure she won, she got a 5 lb break.' I heard that from absolutely nobody. This is not girl power. She has absolutely no idea she's carrying 5 lbs less--she won't feel a loss of ego if told that, she'll probably just nuzzle you. If it's tradition, take it. Weight for age, weight for gender...they've had it for years. Who cares?

[karenkarenn]

Well if you are saying who cares then the people who assign the weights Obvisouly do... because they wouldnt assign certain weights if they didnt care. And if weights dont matter than why would they put them in the race conditions.....

I dont understand why fillies need to have a break. Obivisouly RA can run with the best she should be weighted with the best. If you compete with the best you should be given the same. Fillies are not weaker than a colt, Just because Eight Bells broke down and Rags to riches became hurt that doesnt mean the gender is weak. I have seen alot of males break down tooo..

And if you dont know alot of people that dont talk about the weight issue. per haps its time to talk to a jockey out there riding now. I have spoken and heard them say that a pound equals a neck. Esp when a jockey is overweight. If its not a prob then why do jockeys get in trouble for not making weight. Its the same issue. Weight slows a horse down, even humans are slowed by weight. Same issue..

[Twingirl]

I still think thats wrong, if you want equality you gotta do what others are doing,carty the same weight. But unfortunatly its not equal. I fully understand why the owners of the colts would complain. And Im a fillly owner.

100% agree.

All I heard from the people who think fillies should be racing the boys is that we need to just see them as horses racing horses.......it's all equal.

But it's not, when it suits them. Less weight for the filly, for instance.

AND, *due to breeding considerations), she will probably not race in the BM...can't tire her out and *ruin* her.

So, now we're back where we started, should fillys race against boys?

Either it's equal, or it's not. I wish everyone would make up their minds and decide.

[bdw0617]

yet no one said anything about carl when he said it was "no point" in running in the belmont?

Since the first of april this filly has ran in the fantasy, the oaks, and the preakness... in a span of what.. 6 weeks?

It has nothing to do with being equal and has everything to do with shooting for bigger fish. the goal is not to make half hazard fans happy.

I want to make sure they have a fresh horse for the rest of the year to tackle the haskell and hopefully for a showdown against big z. and let's face it.. big z is running a reincornation of midnighte lute's campaign last year. 1 race.


And.. I don't particually care if she doesn't run to be honest. She did more than enough today. We still get to see pletcher go for his 2 out of 3 last place triple crown with d unkirk. we get to see mine that bird. And i'm curious to see what choclate candy and charitable man can do.


I assure you jes sjackson is not dodging anyone. he's not morrison and he's not the mosses. There is being sporting and then there is being smart.

I'd rather see her in the travers than the belmont.

[Derring]

All those issues aside, what an amazing filly!

[Twingirl]

yet no one said anything about carl when he said it was "no point" in running in the belmont?

Since the first of april this filly has ran in the fantasy, the oaks, and the preakness... in a span of what.. 6 weeks?

It has nothing to do with being equal and has everything to do with shooting for bigger fish. the goal is not to make half hazard fans happy.

I want to make sure they have a fresh horse for the rest of the year to tackle the haskell and hopefully for a showdown against big z. and let's face it.. big z is running a reincornation of midnighte lute's campaign last year. 1 race.


And.. I don't particually care if she doesn't run to be honest. She did more than enough today. We still get to see pletcher go for his 2 out of 3 last place triple crown with d unkirk. we get to see mine that bird. And i'm curious to see what choclate candy and charitable man can do.


I assure you jes sjackson is not dodging anyone. he's not morrison and he's not the mosses. There is being sporting and then there is being smart.

I'd rather see her in the travers than the belmont.

Well, then maybe MTB needs a rest, too. KY Derby and Preak? Every other horse, it seems, won't be running. MM is going for a rest. RA is going for a rest. I can't think of any horse that ran BOTH the Derby and the PReak will be in the BM besides him?

So, wouldn't only a half hazard fan want to see him run in this?

[bdw0617]

but MTB's last race going into the derby was the sunland derby which was about 5 or so weeks before the derby.

[FOS]

hi wangkw

I still think thats wrong, if you want equality you gotta do what others are doing,carty the same weight. But unfortunatly its not equal. I fully understand why the owners of the colts would complain. And Im a fillly owner.

... Most critical is birth date. Some might have advantage over others by months... ...

After reading your comment above, I bolded and highlighted it in blue mainly because Preakness winner Rachel Alexandra (born January 29, 2006) was the oldest horse in the race...approx 3 1/3 months (your word) older than both 2nd place Mine that Bird (born May 10, 2006) and 3rd place Musket Man (born May 10, 2006).

For what it's worth, following is the list of runners in the Preakness in order of finish...and their exact birthdates.

1.....Jan 29,2006...Rachel Alexandra
2.....May 10,2006....Mine that Bird
3.....May 10,2006....Musket Man
4.....Mar 7, 2006......Flying Private
5.....Feb 14,2006.....Big Drama
6.....Feb 13, 2006....Papa Clem
7.....Mar 29, 2006....Terrain
8.....Feb 12, 2006....Luv Gov
9.....Mar 7, 2006......General Quarters
10...Apr 30,2006......Friesan Fire
11...May 5, 2006......Pioneerof the Nile
12...Feb 9, 2006......Tone it Down
13...Apr 7, 2006......Take the Points

To each his/her own opinion...for the record though, Rachel Alexandra was not only the oldest horse in the race, but also 101 days older than the 2nd and 3rd place horses.

Thoughts?

Respectfully

[Stevie Belmont]

When I made my selection I noted that Rachel was the oldest horse in the race, and what makes everything even more amazing, she was giving away several months of experience to the runner ups. She was great!

hi wangkw

I still think thats wrong, if you want equality you gotta do what others are doing,carty the same weight. But unfortunatly its not equal. I fully understand why the owners of the colts would complain. And Im a fillly owner.

... Most critical is birth date. Some might have advantage over others by months... ...

After reading your comment above, I bolded and highlighted it in blue mainly because Preakness winner Rachel Alexandra (born January 29, 2006) was the oldest horse in the race...approx 3 1/3 months (your word) older than both 2nd place Mine that Bird (born May 10, 2006) and 3rd place Musket Man (born May 10, 2006).

For what it's worth, following is the list of runners in the Preakness in order of finish...and their exact birthdates.

1.....Jan 29,2006...Rachel Alexandra
2.....May 10,2006....Mine that Bird
3.....May 10,2006....Musket Man
4.....Mar 7, 2006......Flying Private
5.....Feb 14,2006.....Big Drama
6.....Feb 13, 2006....Papa Clem
7.....Mar 29, 2006....Terrain
8.....Feb 12, 2006....Luv Gov
9.....Mar 7, 2006......General Quarters
10...Apr 30,2006......Friesan Fire
11...May 5, 2006......Pioneerof the Nile
12...Feb 9, 2006......Tone it Down
13...Apr 7, 2006......Take the Points

To each his/her own opinion...for the record though, Rachel Alexandra was not only the oldest horse in the race, but also 101 days older than the 2nd and 3rd place horses.

Thoughts?

Respectfully

[Stevie Belmont]

I guess he was wrong on this one...

Oh well

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Compelled to write this when I saw it

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[Sysonby]

That's the whole point, supposedly the 5 lb difference gives you equality. I happen to think if horses can run under regular sized riders in the morning, they shouldn't need 115 lb jockeys.

Couple o' things--exercise riders are regular sized the way Hollywood actors are regular sized. Yeah they are bigger than jockeys but a lot of those male riders are 140-145 pounds. They also generally only breeze or work a horse up to 5/8ths at about 3/4 speed. The horse that works 1/2 in :50 in the morning can run the 1/2 in :46 in the afternoon and that's just too fast to go carrying a bunch of weight unless the horse is one for the ages.

The 5 lb sex allowance has been with us since there has been racing.

[karenkarenn]

Sysonby
I dont think the issue about were the weight came from is really what were talking about here, however how to change it. and bringing up good points. There are a few others on this site that seem to agree.
FOS. I posted the ages and points of the ages going into the Preakness so it wasnt really a shock when an older horse won. I just saw the similarities in the horses when they were born. It just interesting that the days that they were born do matter. I was shocked to see the May horses doing so well given their age
BDW-
Who is CARL? PLETCHER! your a TOD PLETCHER Fan NOW??
ohh boy I understand any other race but man what is he bringing in to the Belmont? I would bet on the like s of NICK ZITO over Pletcher in the Belmont.If MTB doesnt run. Im sorry i just dont see Pletcher brining anything in that looks good.
I dont think people are waiting to find out whos running in the Belmont before they post. I would rather wait to moan and groan and complain about horses that are running rather than think about it now, when it may not happen.
Am I still interesting?? HA.

[BenB]

Classics in Europe are always been held at 58kg for colts and 56 kg for fillies.

The arc is a gr 1 open to entire colts, and fillies ,4yr olds end up colts 60kg
fillies 58 3yrs old colts 58kg and 56 for the fillies