Bodemeister

[zinn21]

Well he threw my Derby allegiance to Union Rags for a loop. That was a powerful, dominant Arkansas Derby no doubt..

[Bast]

Well he threw my Derby allegiance to Union Rags for a loop. That was a powerful, dominant Arkansas Derby no doubt..

He was the only speed in the race. There will be speed in Louisville; nobody is going to be allowed to cruise in front and win as they please.

[bdw0617]

honestly, i wasn't impressed at all. he was the dominate closer in the race if you know what that means. this was a very shitty field and he is a nice horse but it was more of a visual mirage than a powerful performance.

i will say, i don't' think there was much he could have done today to impress me considering the field, but.. i mean i don't think everything that draws off is a super star. the horse got realistically good fractions and no one in the race could even keep up with that. that tells me more about how crappy the field is than it does how good a performance it was by him

secret circle, a horse who looked like he needed a designated driver by the 8th pole he was staggering so bad hit the board. the horse was so tired he went out at least 5 paths in the stretch and he still hit the board.

that tells me more about how crappy the field is then it does how good of a horse he is.


I would not be surprised if he ran good in the derby but with him, take charge indy and hansen all in the same race, he would have to be the reincarnation of the bid to pull that off IMHO.



the most impressive horse to me today was Hansen. he is a gamer and fought tooth and nail on a deep keenland surface after setting really really good fractions.

[bdw0617]

Well he threw my Derby allegiance to Union Rags for a loop. That was a powerful, dominant Arkansas Derby no doubt..

He was the only speed in the race. There will be speed in Louisville; nobody is going to be allowed to cruise in front and win as they please.

you are like the older whiter republican sister i never had lol.

[Bast]

Well he threw my Derby allegiance to Union Rags for a loop. That was a powerful, dominant Arkansas Derby no doubt..

He was the only speed in the race. There will be speed in Louisville; nobody is going to be allowed to cruise in front and win as they please.

you are like the older whiter republican sister i never had lol.

Shall I adopt you? I have no brothers of any description.

[bdw0617]

I mean. he's a really good horse. but he isn't as good as this race made him look.


now, if he were in the race with say, take charge indy, and dueled with him to the turn into the stretch and drew up with no whip to win by 8 lengths i will declare him a super star. but he did not do that. he took the lead where the only other speed was so worried about getting 9F that they took back and set off the pace, and the horses behind him were so slow that his modest fractions were too much to handle.

it reminds me a lot of bellamy road's Wood win. actually that's exactly what it reminds me of.

[Bast]

I mean. he's a really good horse. but he isn't as good as this race made him look.


now, if he were in the race with say, take charge indy, and dueled with him to the turn into the stretch and drew up with no whip to win by 8 lengths i will declare him a super star. but he did not do that. he took the lead where the only other speed was so worried about getting 9F that they took back and set off the pace, and the horses behind him were so slow that his modest fractions were too much to handle.

it reminds me a lot of bellamy road's Wood win. actually that's exactly what it reminds me of.

I think the horses who were decisively beaten by many lengths are the data points to study coming out of both the Bluegrass and the Arkansas Derby. Look at the fractions for both races:

Arkansas Derby:
:23.02 :46.55 1:11.36 1:36.74 1:48.71 (Track record, 1:46.60)
(:23.53) (:24:81) (:25.38) (11.97)

Secret Circle--and the horses he beat in his last start all finished well back. I think this means something.

Bluegrass Stakes:
:23.10 :46.64 1:11.32 1:35.46 1:47.94 (Track record 1:46.77)
(:23.54) (:24.68) (:24.14) (:12.48)

I think a lot of horses that were given support prior to the Bluegrass can be thrown out until they develop more or are trained to run this far. Hansen ran a dead game race--but Dullahan only caught a very tired horse. He isn't going to catch a horse who hasn't been running out on the lead who has something left at the end & can run a faster final quarter.

[louis finochio]

The class test of a great tb, is when another tb comes next to you, & looks you in the eye, when that happens will BM go on to victory or will he regress. We shall find out in the Derby.

[bdw0617]

I mean. he's a really good horse. but he isn't as good as this race made him look.


now, if he were in the race with say, take charge indy, and dueled with him to the turn into the stretch and drew up with no whip to win by 8 lengths i will declare him a super star. but he did not do that. he took the lead where the only other speed was so worried about getting 9F that they took back and set off the pace, and the horses behind him were so slow that his modest fractions were too much to handle.

it reminds me a lot of bellamy road's Wood win. actually that's exactly what it reminds me of.

I think the horses who were decisively beaten by many lengths are the data points to study coming out of both the Bluegrass and the Arkansas Derby. Look at the fractions for both races:

Arkansas Derby:
:23.02 :46.55 1:11.36 1:36.74 1:48.71 (Track record, 1:46.60)
(:23.53) (:24:81) (:25.38) (11.97)

Secret Circle--and the horses he beat in his last start all finished well back. I think this means something.

you would make a pretty good handicapper bast


the highlighted fraction is the key in the arkansas derby. BM was able to get a pretty significant breather on the back stretch.

so let's put this in perspective. not only was BM able to get a breather. while he was getting a breather, going 25 seconds fractions, the horses behind him were going BACKWARDS.

that in itself should tell you how crappy this field was.

also he won't get anything like that in the derby and he has to run further

[bdw0617]

was a half decent horse 2 years ago that wallowed between 50k claiming type races and allowance races at gulfstream, was claimed by T pletch at the end of the gulfstream meet and sent north and has not looked dback. now he has won a million dollar race

the guy who lost him in the claim has to be sick to his stomach.

[Hotwalker]

This flatters Creative Cause even more, having repelled Bodemesiter in the San Felipe. Of course Bodemeister could be improving by huge leaps, being a less experienced horse.

[bdw0617]

This flatters Creative Cause even more, having repelled Bodemesiter in the San Felipe. Of course Bodemeister could be improving by huge leaps, being a less experienced horse.

just shows how deep socal is this year. IMHO the best 3 3 year olds are all socal horses.

i don't think BM hits the board in the santa anita derby

[Bast]

This flatters Creative Cause even more, having repelled Bodemesiter in the San Felipe. Of course Bodemeister could be improving by huge leaps, being a less experienced horse.

Bodemeister caught a slow field and got a well-paced ride. Nothing was closing on him at the end either because 1) they weren't fit and/or 2) Bodemeister was allowed to get to the front and cruise, without going too fast.

[pfrsue]

Per the Daily Racing Form website, Bodemeister received a 105 Beyer, Dullahan a 98, and Hansen a 96. Thought that was interesting.

[Bast]

Per the Daily Racing Form website, Bodemeister received a 105 Beyer, Dullahan a 98, and Hansen a 96. Thought that was interesting.

It's bizarre. The final times for both races were about 2 seconds over the track records.