Out of steam in the stretch...

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Out of steam in the stretch...

Postby bayrabicano » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:51 am

What would be the first thing that most trainers would consider for a maiden that runs out of stream in the stretch?
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Postby Fireslam » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:39 pm

Cheaper company.

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Re: Out of steam in the stretch...

Postby casallc » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:40 pm

bayrabicano wrote:What would be the first thing that most trainers would consider for a maiden that runs out of stream in the stretch?


She either ran out of conditioning or ran out of air. Most trainers are going to go with the later when in actuallity it is the former. If it was air they should have picked it up in the training before entering a race.
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Postby ElPrado » Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:03 pm

Yes, Heaven forbid that they admit they need to get off their lazy butts and train longer. They might even have to get off the cell phone.

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Postby wangkw » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:30 pm

Try push them to their limits...in space and time..find their optimal meter...overrun it gradually..increase training frequency...go

through water pool more...thread mills..add weight...jugger diets..no late night..more or less a complete check list...if still no use,
nothing can be done..unless their riders carry oxigen tank along.

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Postby Hold Your Peace » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:18 pm

Fireslam wrote:Cheaper company.


This is the best answer.

If the horse is short or not getting all of their air the trainer should have already known that - so the answer is to drop them in class.

Depending on the horse it could also be an option to run them LONGER. If a horse HAS to have the lead but will relax once they get it then they can run slower and still have the lead in a longer race.

Vice versa if a NEED THE LEAD type gets the lead in a route and then fades the answer is probably not to shorten them up because a horse who can get the lead going two turns often isn't be fast enough to get the lead in a sprint.

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Postby wangkw » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:49 pm

Fireslam wrote:Cheaper company.



Thats far too passive... :lol:
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Postby Joltman » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:06 am

Many trainers never train a horse to the point of fitness, but run them into shape. So they try to run 7f and have never trained at more than 5f. Any wonder they run out of gas? (air/lactic acid buildup/or whatever the cause)

Get a trainer who isn't afraid to gallop the horse long, and put longer works into horse. Try two turns may work as per above

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Postby griff » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:03 am

If they quit and come out of the race ready to go again the next day they have probably displaced.

If they have run out their condition they will have nothing left they need more and better training or maybe a shorter race or a down grade

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Re: Out of steam in the stretch...

Postby Whirlaway » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:41 am

bayrabicano wrote:What would be the first thing that most trainers would consider for a maiden that runs out of stream in the stretch?


Fun question.

I'm no trainer, I am a handicapper, so what I say doesn't really count.

I don't think your question gives enough info to get a definitive answer. Where did the horse run and what were the conditions of the race? Two year old maidens or three year old maidens? Was the race a maiden claimer or a maiden special weight? Where did the horse finish, close up or how far back? What was the race shape and pace fractions? What were the conditions of the track? Is the rider good on first timers? If the horse runs short first time out it there could be any number of reasons as to why. Could be the trainer had him in just for esperience and told the boy this first one is just for schoolin'.

If he comes out of the race in good shape, I say, and I repeat, I'm no trainer - two good sharp works near racing speed and come back in the same conditions against a group of first timers. If you can get a drop in class and distance and get a good post, count me IN! The data indicates second starters that run close to par first out win more than their fair share,

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