Chantal sutherland in trouble

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Postby Fair Play » Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:28 am

Tbird wrote:Why are these horses so tired in the stretch? Why would a young, healthy Thoroughbred be so tired after running pretty fast for like 89 seconds?
And why are they not "worked" or "trained' more than they are in preparation for the races? What is this galloping once week or so, and what is "walking the shedrow" going to do to make a horse fit?

Your question is very common to new people to TB racing and I will have a go at explaining it. RA went the first quarter in 22 and change which is what we refer to in a mile and an eighth race as suicide pace. Picture Bolt going 100m in 9 and a bit seconds and where he'd be after 1600m. If she went at a reasonable pace, even with her natural speed, she would have finished far more strongly. If you took Macho Again, who came from the back and forced him up there with her, he would be "walking" across the wire. The way a horse finishes depends upon the "evenness" at which he gets to run. A horse with more natural speed, can fly out of the gate, set decent fractions (decent depending on the track conditions, distance, quality of the horse, age, ...) and slow down less than the others at the end. Do the math. It is rare they don't all go a slower final quarter than every preceding one. Here is the chart: http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pd ... 9USA10.pdf You can figure out about how fast each horse went each quarter by seeing how far behind the leader at each point. Look at what happened to the horse who was on the lead with RA the first quarter: he stopped because he was pushed too hard. He can certainly run that far in good time had he not gone so fast early.

As for training: you can't train a properly conditioned horse to run against his natural talents. You can get him fit enough to do the distances he is best suited for but more training will do two things: break him down or take the "speed out of him". I have watched dozens of new people come to the track from different disciplines and kill or cripple the first bunch of horses they get their hands on (usually owner/trainer) because they think the horses stop because they aren't fit. Racing speed is not comparable to eventing speed for example. I did watch a 3 star once and the winner could have gone around again, while some of the also runs were so leg weary, they were sickening to watch. That is not just a difference in training, but in the quality of the horse and his suitability to the task.

Oops: just noticed the part about galloping once a week. They might work as in go fast once a week (or shorter works every fifth day), but they go out and gallop everyday except the day or so after a race or work. They are going more easily on those days, but it is still enough to make them breath harder, and sweat. :) If you walked six days a week....

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s.s.

Postby tbrace » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:54 pm

Is she still suspended? Is she coming to CA for the winter?

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Postby Tbird » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:00 am

She was on TVG over the weekend during the coverage of the big race up there (I forget what race it was) and it was mentioned that she was riding in a race later in the day and she said that she liked the horse she'd be riding, that he was honest, etc., etc.

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Re: s.s.

Postby Entry Blank » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:42 pm

tbrace wrote:Is she still suspended? Is she coming to CA for the winter?


She wasnt suspended , she was fined and disqualified from all purse money.

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Postby tbrace » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:44 am

Thanks.

Does anyone know if she is going to ride in CA any this season (winter)?

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Postby Sparafucile » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:33 am

Should Jim McAleney be in trouble???. Any comments on his use of the whip with respect to the stretch drive of Aurora Lights during the Selene Stakes at Woodbine (6th race Sept 26). On viewing a 'close-up' replay of the stretch drive, it looks like Aurora Lights takes a couple of shots to the head with the whip.

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Postby Tucumcari » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:01 am

Yep the valet would be the one who I'd be biach slapping. They get the jock's equipment ready for them for each race.
Chantal doesn't hit hard enough to split one open. The new rule is silly IMO. We have poppers and the rider isn't to hit the flank... the list is endless. Whips serve more purpose than to beat the crap out of a horse. My whip is big and makes a loud sound. I swing hard and I couldn't split one open if I tried. People are too sensitive
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