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Postby madelyn » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:06 pm

I agree with LB. You can't really call it the "sport of kings" if you don't have any kings' horses in the race :D

A championship with only American horses in it is as meaningful as a championship in Argentina with only Argentine horses in it. That makes the horse a national champion, NOT a world champion.
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Postby bdw0617 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:24 pm

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bdw0617 wrote:henry is easily fu peg's best thing he's done so far at stud


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Postby Georgerz » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:20 pm

It would be very interesting if they ever run the Breeders Cup races at Ascot, or Longchamp, or Tokyo or Hong Kong, etc. Then it would really be an International Championship. But fat chance.

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Postby Dave C » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:59 pm

I very much noticed that there weren't any Australian bred or owned horses running. The Aussies seem to be very proud of their precocious sprinters so it would be nice to see how they stack up in the the Turf Sprint. The point being you have to beat the best to call yourself the best.

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Postby steward » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:43 pm

madelyn wrote:I agree with LB. You can't really call it the "sport of kings" if you don't have any kings' horses in the race :D


That's the equivalent of saying that auto racing championships must be Formula I or Indy, but not NASCAR.

American dirt racing is a completely different sport from turf racing. It is a legitimate sport with a long tradition. Now, one can claim that heat racing was REALLY the test of champions. But in the end, it was a completely different sport, too.

Conceding to foreigners that their sport is superior, and that we must run our races under their conditions is sort of a weird mindset.

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Postby LB » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:21 pm

steward wrote:Conceding to foreigners that their sport is superior, and that we must run our races under their conditions is sort of a weird mindset.


Stubbornly continuing to overlook the fact that tracks switched to synthetic surfaces not so that we could run under the same conditions as the europeans but rather to enhance the safety of the horses... that's a weird mindset to me.

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Postby Strategic Maneuver » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:25 pm

I thought the BC races this year were full of really good horses and exciting to watch. It was a good year for the Euros and many of their horses really took to the Pro Ride which I think we can all learn from. Personally I applaud Asmussen and Jackson for bringing Curlin to the BCC knowing there was a big chance he might not handle it well. I consider it good sportmanship and I thought he still ran a bang up race.

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Postby steward » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:26 pm

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steward wrote:Conceding to foreigners that their sport is superior, and that we must run our races under their conditions is sort of a weird mindset.


Stubbornly continuing to overlook the fact that tracks switched to synthetic surfaces not so that we could run under the same conditions as the europeans but rather to enhance the safety of the horses... that's a weird mindset to me.


There's only a minor improvement, if any at all. If complete safety is the target, then eliminate the breed altogether. They're naturally a danger to themselves.

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Postby griff » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:49 pm

Every horse that makes it to the BC is a champion in my book.

I've often said my goal is to loose the KY Derby; guess I'll have to amend that to my goal is to loose the Ky Derby or a BC

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Postby Barbaro06 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:47 pm

Funny all this grousing about American dirt racing versus Euro turf racing...I personally like long disances in racing, turf or dirt...

Look at some of the old pictures of racing at Belmont when it was first opened....they were running clockwise like they do in Europe!!! GASP! Eventually they switched it to counter-clockwise....

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Postby BenB » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:42 pm

Steward, the b.c should be world champion series, so go ahead and re name it in American series.

Differ the entries in only open to american bred and trained horses.
Only to be held on dirt tracks

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Postby steward » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:30 am

BenB wrote:Steward, the b.c should be world champion series, so go ahead and re name it in American series.

Differ the entries in only open to american bred and trained horses.
Only to be held on dirt tracks

Than you do not see a single writing from me again.


Hogwash. From the getgo, the Breeders have catered to the foreigners by including turf races. Foreign horses did well on turf and sucked on dirt. That's to be expected, since they are two different sports.

Now, for some idiotic reason, the Breeders want ALL races to be geared for foreigners. As was stated above, the crybabies want to see no injuries on BC day (or any other day when the network cameras are present). It's an impossible goal, regardless the technology, but at the moment the hallucinators have the upper hand.

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Postby pfrsue » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:37 am

steward wrote:Now, for some idiotic reason, the Breeders want ALL races to be geared for foreigners. As was stated above, the crybabies want to see no injuries on BC day (or any other day when the network cameras are present). It's an impossible goal, regardless the technology, but at the moment the hallucinators have the upper hand.


So, Pine Island, Go For Wand, George Washington, etc. etc. were just eggs being broken for the omelet of your version of what American racing ought to be? Working to minimize catastrophic injuries, including trying to find a safer racing surface, should take a back seat to ensuring that American horses beat the European ones?

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Postby steward » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:45 am

If weeding unfit horses out of the breeding pool is done on the track, so be it. They are not humans, but more like deer. Everytime that I drive by a roadkill deer, I see natural selection in progress, and don't weep myself into depression.

Sorry for the blunt words, but I'm tired of people sounding like 5 year olds upon the death of their first cat. I'm just a realistic person.

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Postby spex4me » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:01 am

Barbaro06 wrote:Funny all this grousing about American dirt racing versus Euro turf racing...I personally like long disances in racing, turf or dirt...

Look at some of the old pictures of racing at Belmont when it was first opened....they were running clockwise like they do in Europe!!! GASP! Eventually they switched it to counter-clockwise....

:D


I love longer races too. It is exciting to see them all just sort of creeping along and bam off they go!
I heard that about Belmont.... I wonder why the preference to go one way or another? Maybe that is basic knowledge but I haven't a clue. And I also wonder if poly plays so much like turf, why not just strive to create more turf courses? Or in the long run is turf upkeep more expensive than poly? Ok done with 20 questions morning section lol!! :)
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