Sutherland off Game On Dude

[bayrabicano]

bdw, You're right about that! Good one.

[karenkarenn]

Its photo shopped .. she posed differently and they altered the image. You can tell guys.........................

[TJ]

Here's Chantal on Conan....maybe two months before she announced her retirement. She tells Conan they actually airbrushed out the thong she had on during the shoot. Conan was upset to hear Chantal wore a thong and said even the horse looks disgusted in the photo:>) TJ
http://teamcoco.com/video/chantal-suthe ... key-hazing

[FOS]

hi TJ

Here's Chantal on Conan....maybe two months before she announced her retirement. She tells Conan they actually airbrushed out the thong she had on during the shoot. Conan was upset to hear Chantal wore a thong and said even the horse looks disgusted in the photo:>) TJ
http://teamcoco.com/video/chantal-suthe ... key-hazing

I too wish Chantal Sutherland well.

As for retiring, she said something early-on in her interview with Conan that seemed (from my perspective) to be very telling, and may very well be a (if not the) major contributing factor as to why she's hanging up her tack.

When Conan asked Chantal... "A very successful jockey wins about what percentage of their races?" Chantal responded... "We lose 80% of the time."

Reality is...Chantal loses nearly 90% of the time.

Her lifetime win percentage is 12.67% (931 firsts from 7,350 starts); with a lifetime average earnings per start of $6,434.

If that wasn't problem enough, Chantal's win percentage this year (2012) dropped to 10.44% (33 firsts from 316 starts); with an average earnings per start of $6,855. Hmmmm. Was she a rider on the decline? Why was she not improving?

For comparison's sake...even young Joe Talamo has a lifetime win percentage of 14.96%; with average lifetime earnings per start of $6,986. Talamo's 2012 win percentage is up to 17.01%; with average earnings per start of $9,494.

If we step it up to Rafael Bejarano, he has a lifetime win percentage of 20.39%; with average lifetime earnings per start of $9,492. His winning percentage this year is 23.69%; with average earninge per start in 2012 of $15,272.

Joel Rosario, for example, has a lifetime win percentage of 18.60% (avg earnings per lifetime start of $8,997); and his winning percentage this year is 18.15% (avg earnings per start in 2012 is $12,252).

Cori Nakatani, 16.77% lifetime win percentage ($9,744 avg earnings per lifetime start). Cori in 2012, 16.39% win percentage ($13,330 avg earnings per start).

The list goes on...

This may be a great time for Chantal to move on. Hopefully her future will be happiness-filled.

Best to ya TJ .

Respectfully

[TJ]

Hi FOS,
I agree with your thoughts. I believe racing was taking a back seat to other of Chantal's endeavors. She realized a few pictures here or there or an advertisement on the back of her silks brings in real good money with less risk and life altering rules for the buck. Don't be surprised if she ends up as a commentator on TVG and/or a major network racing broadcast. She's talented and smart....and can now enjoy a normal life and make as much, if not more money. She was at a point in her career that she was not riding that many races yearly, she just got married, she has other options available and the time was right for her to move on. Racing has been very good to her as she was to racing. Best to you as well. TJ

[bdw0617]

1. she's almost 40. with all due respect to the older women on this forum that window for using her built in advantages is closing by the second.

2. 10% isn't a bad win percentage life time. on a major circuit that will pay some bills.

3. i have heard her do commentary on HRTV before, she's sat in a few times. lol i assure you this is not her calling.


I fully expect to hear she's pregnant in the next 12 months. at the end of the day i think tha'ts the deal. she wants to be a momma. nothing wrong with that.

[FOS]

hi bdw0617

... 10% isn't a bad win percentage life time. on a major circuit that will pay some bills. ...

Hmmm...10% isn't a bad win percentage? In the case of Chantal Sutherland, does that mean (by your definition) that 10% (even 12%) is good?

As you suggested, race-riding may have generated a meaningful income for Chantal (and Agent?)...but, arguably (and I know there are likely exceptions to every rule ), a trainer is generally looking for better than a 10%/12% rider when it comes to selecting a jock for what he/she believes is a very good/Top racehorse.

I would also suggest...a closer look at Chantal's stats (all stats in this post as of 10/24/12), seem to indicate she was NOT a top finisher. Think about it; using the same five jockeys (Chantal, Talamo, Rosario, Nakatani, Bejarano) as previously, for comparison, she is the ONLY one whose lifetime wins total is less than lifetime third place finishes. If that doesn't sound like much, consider the following (in ascending order, by percentage) from Worst to Best.

Worst/ Chantal Sutherland's lifetime wins total (931), is LESS than her lifetime third place finishes total (987). She's the only jockey among these five whose wins total is less than third place finishes total.
4th/ Joe Talamo's lifetime win's total (1,135), EXCEEDS his lifetime third place finishes total (1085), by 5%-.
3rd/ Cori Nakatani's lifetime wins total (3,597), Far EXCEEDS his third place finishes total (2,937), by 22%+.
2nd/ Joel Rosario's lifetime wins total (1,420), Far EXCEEDS his third place finishes total (1,134), by 24%+.
Best - Rafael Bejarano's lifetime wins total (2,856), Very Far exceeds his third place finishes total (2,044), by 40%-.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Maybe you wanna see more. So here's another stat using the same five riders Chantal Sutherland; Joe Talamo; Rafael Bejarano; Joel Rosario; Cori Nakatani.

When you add-up a rider's total number of lifetime firsts, seconds and third place finishes, then determine what percentage that is of that rider's total number of lifetime starts; the results are as follows (from Best to Worst)...

Best/ Rafael Bejarano - 52.72% of his mounts finished 1st, 2nd or third.
2nd/ Joel Rosario - 49.91% of his mounts finished 1st, 2nd or third.
3rd/ Corey Nakatani - 45.59% of his mounts finished 1st, 2nd or third.
4th/ Joe Talamo - 43.22% of his mounts finished 1st, 2nd or third.
Worst/ Chantal Sutherland - 38.75% of her mounts finished 1st, 2nd or third. How do you spell OUCH

As you suggested, Chantal may have generated a meaningful income for her efforts, but clearly her stats/results speak volumes; and arguably she was no longer (if ever she was) capturing the imagination of many (if any) SoCal trainers...for whatever reason(s).

Maybe her stats weren't part of the problem ...maybe it was just a coincidence that many SoCal trainers seemingly lost/misplaced Chantal's/agent's phone number. Not Baffert though, clearly he had Chantal's number, and decided to unceremoniously take her off of Game On Dude, and go elsewhere. OUCH again

Then the Breathalyzer. OUCH again

As previously posted...this may be a great time for Chantal to move on. Hopefully her future will be ouch-less, and happiness-filled.

Best to ya.

Respectfully

[bdw0617]

great stuff FOS

however, stats can be misleading. I watch socal every day.. I mean, yo know just as well as I do she isn't getting the firepower. Abrams goes to her when he has something live, and that's really it. she never gets the odds on horses. most of her bread and butter races are claiming 30k type 10 field races, where she isn't on just a scrub horse, but she's not on the logical choices either.. like a 7 to 10 to 1 shot or something.

I'll say this to her credit.. i don't not bet beucase i see her, if i think she has the horse and i think it's go time i have no problem with her. in fact i like it beucse she won't take money.]

part of it is well, she's just not bejerano but some of it is as well as t least i think, no trainer is going to stick with a rider who plays hop scotch between here and Canada all year long. every time she'd get in good she'd leave and have to start back over again.


I used to be Chantal's biggest critic but she has drastically improved over the last 5 years. is she Bejerano? god no, but she's not Freddie Fong either.

there are some things she's better at.. she rides fillies better than colts, why i dont' know but her win percentage is 15% higher over the last 3 years on fillies than colts or geldings, and she tends to like shorter races over longer races, but she's not a bad jockey.

i really think it was just time for her to do the momma thing.

[bdw0617]

told ya

[Fair Play]

But even the test is just a standard operating procedure (which I doubt because it would be time consuming to test every single jockey) that doesn't change the fact that she was taken off horses for five days because of the results of that test.

Forgive me if this has already been addressed, but every track in N Am breathalizes every jockey every single race day of their lives, even the most modest bush track, and riders are taken off at .30, or were a decade ago when I last was around. I have seen riders who have never blown over, do so when they say they didn't have a drink after 10 pm the night before (14 hours later). While I know nothing of the incident in question, I do know of "regular folk" who have responsibly left their vehicles at a restaurant rather than risk blowing over, only to do so the next morning when they have retrieved it. I have never heard of her blowing over before which she certainly should have done was it a regular thing.

[karenkarenn]

I totally AGREE.

[bdw0617]

weet - @DRFInsidePost: Chantal Sutherland (@jockeychantal) considering a riding comeback, writes @DRFAndersen - http://t.co/xwOuri1V4I #horseracing

I saw her on TVG the weekend Game on Dude ran and she will have to work her butt off. She has gained weight. A jocks life has to be tough where weight is such a major factor.