It's Rok and I against the WORLD!!!

[bdw0617]

show me 1, just one post about this racet hat I said anything about anyone in a negative manner.. not jut I don't like street sense, but me bashing someone who does.. and I'll paypal you 50 bucks right now. and will eat crow doing so


otherwise, I dont' want to hear another word about it and I wuld expect an apology

[Sam]

show me 1, just one post about this racet hat I said anything about anyone in a negative manner.. not jut I don't like street sense, but me bashing someone who does.. and I'll paypal you 50 bucks right now. and will eat crow doing so

I didn't say you were attacking anyone... you were attacking THE HORSE. I never said nor implied you were bashing someone. That's something your fevered little mind came up with. You have been harping on how Street Sense 'just isn't that damned good a horse' for a week... longer actually. That didn't have shit to do with his odds. You weren't bagging on him because he had no value as a 1-5 shot, you were attacking THE HORSE because you don't like him and don't think he's any good. You're allowed to believe so, and the rest of us are allowed to think you're an idiot.

I wuld expect an apology

You're kidding, right? Would you like me to explain, in graphic detail, what you can do with you're 'expectation' of an apology?

[Rokeby Forever]

I don't think too many are waiting for him to admit he was wrong... Bush will admit he f*cked up by going to Iraq first.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and
security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…"
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if
left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

[Maven]

Come on, Marc. Delete and put it in the OT forums if you want to really bring home this point. Her remark was more facetious than a political statement.

[Rokeby Forever]

It's simply a rebuttal...without a word from me.

Hey Maven - where's Lemonline's next race?

[Maven]

Looking. We worked her today on the poly after working her on the turf. She's nominated to a few places. It's the trainer's call. He'll inform us after she's placed.

[Rokeby Forever]

Love to see her at 1 1/4 mile against maybe a Grade II field.

Did you see that Biancone freak in the last race today, La Traviata? Wow, can that filly run!

[Maven]

You like a J'berg out of an Unbridled mare? Are you feeling ok?

[Rokeby Forever]

You like a J'berg out of an Unbridled mare? Are you feeling ok?

For as long as she lasts - or as long as the snake venom lasts.

[Sam]

It's simply a rebuttal.

No, it's not. It was yet another moronic attempt to hijack a thread and gloss over the fact that you look like an ass for the constant touting of Sightseeing over the last week by throwing up a bunch of shit that didn't have anything to do with anything in this discussion. Just like the question below is an attempt to hijack this thread -- to change the subject from how much you and your parrot look like an idiot after today's race.

Hey Maven - where's Lemonline's next race?

Typical -- and quite predictable -- response from you, Roke. When you realize you were wrong... CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

[Rokeby Forever]

Oh, cut the shit, SAM - you bring up George Bush out of nowhere and you accuse me of hijacking a thread (with my OWN ID on the thread title) by replying to it?

If your goal is to avoid me (as you BS that you'd like to), why do you write at all on a thread that has my ID on it? I'll tell you why - it's because you're a miserable, attention whore monger that contradicts everything she writes (and then writes half a page of bullshit as a try at clarification) and will stop at nothing to pick fights knowing that you have a guardian angel here. That does it - you've been called out and the tons of PMs that ask me, "Why doesn't Rogue do something about Sam?" will finally have to be addressed by her.

Your statement:

"It was yet another moronic attempt to hijack a thread and gloss over the fact that you look like an ass for the constant touting of Sightseeing over the last week by throwing up a bunch of shit that didn't have anything to do with anything in this discussion"

HOW CAN I HIJACK A THREAD THAT HAS MY OWN ID ON THE THREAD TITLE, ASSHOLE???

This is baiting at its WORST and the PMs I've gotten are proof that people are fed up with your nonsense and are fed up with you! If Rogue does nothing about this, no rules apply here. EVERY MEMBER now sees you baiting, and if you're not suspended for it, the poster that was for his baiting should be given a three day credit.

You're nothing but a liar and a phony - you're not avoiding me, you're baiting me. And it's now up to Rogue to enforce the rules that she asks ALL posters to abide by.

[bdw0617]

then she goes from telling me she hates my attitude, and when she can't prove that i have a bad attitude, she says that I hate the horses, when I clearly stated that I love all horses, but as a fan, I like some horses more than others, which is a normal fan of any sports reaction.


if you want to gloat in fun that we didn't win today.. go ahead, I have no problem with that, and it's all in 110% fun.


but this is out of control.

[Rokeby Forever]

It's worse than out of control, BDW - you should see the PMs I've received. Everyone is fed up with this shit!

I'm hijacking a thread with my own ID in the title of it...can you believe the extreme stupidity behind that statement?

[Sam]

Oh, cut the shit, SAM - you bring up George Bush out of nowhere and you accuse me of hijacking a thread by replying to it?

Do you understand what an analogy is? Do you know what a rhetorical statement is?

That's all my statement was -- an analogy. I was drawing a parallel. It was not an invitation to a discussion (I would have posted it in the OT forum if it were) nor was it an attempt at thread hijacking.

The hijack was your moronic post that followed which, curiously, was nothing but Democrat quotes. I'm going to assume that was a ridiculous attempt at painting me as a liberal Democrat -- which is wrong, but not worth responding to save for this: I'm neither a Democrat, nor a Republican (though, I was a registered Republican when I lived in CA) because I don't agree 100% with either party and do not like the polarization of the country the two party system and their most zealous members fosters. YOU, and assholes like you, don't vote for a political representative -- You're cheering for a f*cking sports team.

If your goal is to avoid me (as you claim you'd like to), why do you write at all on a thread that has my ID on it?

YOU are not the only person posting in this thread. YOU do not own exclusive rights to this thread. *I* was not even responding TO YOU.

will stop at nothing to pick fights knowing that you have a guardian angel here. That does it - you've been called out and the tons of PMs that ask me, "Why doesn't Rogue do something about Sam?" will finally have to be addressed by her.

No, no guardian angel. I'm just smart enough to know what I can and cannot do. YOU just fucked up... and I'm going to laugh my ass off now along with everyone else who just witnessed that little faux pas of yours.

HOW CAN I HIJACK A THREAD THAT HAS MY OWN ID ON THE THREAD TITLE, ASSHOLE???

The thread was about you and BD cheerleading for a horse. It was NOT about you, is not solely for YOUR benefit and has more people involved in discussions that YOU were not even a part of.

This is baiting at its WORST and the PMs I've gotten are proof that people are fed up with your nonsense and are fed up with you!

No darling, THIS is a bait: IF you get so many private supporters telling you what a bitch I am, let them say it themselves instead of having you use the OLDEST freaking INTERNET CLICHE AROUND: the "I have my private supporters!!" claim.

I have no respect for any coward who doesn't have the balls to say publicly what they believe privately. If they support you, they should speak up publicly in your defense. They don't.

If Rogue does nothing about this, no rules apply here. EVERY MEMBER now sees you baiting, and if you're not suspended for it, the poster that was for his baiting should be given a three day credit.

You're nothing but a liar and a phony - you're not avoiding me, you're baiting me. And it's not up to Rogue to enforce the rules that she asks ALL posters to abide by.

[bdw0617]

what I think is going on with Sam, and to a smaller extent maven, is that they have been here longer then we have.. alot longer.. and for say... 2 plus years, they have been used to people agreeing with everything they write, and not used to someone being very opinionated.


I spotted Sam from jump street.. the way you took cheap shots at my spelling errors.. did I ever say one bad thing about you in return although I had every right to? But i'm an asshole.


The only REAL thing Rok and I have in common is that we aren't afraid to tell you how we fell about something, and we both have a strong passion for this game we call horse racing.

the latter is something everyone here has in common.



I'm a history buff. a Big time History Buff. One of my most admired people in history is P.T Barnum. So much so I paid 300 bucks to take a private tour of his estate down in Sarasota (which for the most part is now a museum, but his house still stands in tack.. beautiful, if you ever get down there .. GO)

The reason I bring that up is, his theory on attention was the same as what goes on here... Bad Press and Good Press are both better than NO press.

what that means in a nutshell.. If I would have made a thread called say... "Street Sense..." actually i was going to go with "Street Sense makes NO sense, but I couldn't pass up the chance to throw rok and I in a subject line


I would have gotten some replies, it would have been a good read... but the second you say "Rok and I against the world" you HAD to open it, to see what it was. I grabbed your attention. This thread, although as I can tell provoked a negative emotion, grabbed your attention, which is the point of the thread.

Barnum would write bad press clippings about his own shows if nothing was going on. People would show up at his shows to see how BAD a show it was, at the end accomplishing his goal, of getting people in the door.


I do apologize if I come off as arrogant, cocky, or extreme... I'm not saying i"m NOT , but at the same time, I have the upmost respect for anyone who puts this much time into the sport I love.

But at the same time, respect works both ways. I might be different, as you are to me, but like and respect are different as well