Early Derby Picks and subsequent evolution . . .

[Toccet02]

OK--anyone who "wants to play", how bout honestly stating your derby Pick at this point, be they emotional, quirky, or firmly based on terribly serious research . . .(read with a British Accent)...just specify which.
Then, when they make you lose hope, state your new "love", and we'll see whose pick makes it to the Roses, and if it was a January original or not.
I'll go out on a limb and root for
Pink Viper: Mainly quirky; love the name, half to Flashy Bull, who's game if not too talented, and all my scientific picks seem to be 4th-6th every year.

[geowarrior]

Hard Spun. The only thing I hate about him is his name, but pedigree wise and form wise, as well as looks wise he seems like the real thing. There are others I like too but I have to pick this one 'cos he beat my horse.

(Other sentimental for if Hard Spun doesn't make it, Tiz Wonderful 'cos I think Tiznow is getting a bum rap as a sire.)

[Shergar]

I will pin my hopes on Nobiz like shobiz??

I liked Albert the Great as a racehorse and really want to see him make it as a sire. Thus far his progeny haven't done a lot, but I'm thinking as they mature and stretch out to longer distances they will get better.

Shergar

[Sysonby]

Not a pick as much as a wish--Notional

[hpkingjr]

Tis A Man, emotional pick.

[llbean]

Lawrence the Roman (Point Given-Carly Lee, by Broad Brush), based primarily on Pedigree Research.

-llbean

[Sam]

Another Kris.

Ask me again next year... next year is all the good ones

[Nerd]

Hard Spun is my pick as well. It will be interesting to see how these evolve...

[Rokeby Forever]

I'm with Geowarrior...Hard Spun and Tiz Wonderful.

Just to rattle Sam's cage a little - I like these two because they lack Storm Cat/Unbridled's Song in their pedigrees, so they might actually last long enough to run in the KY Derby.

[Rokeby Forever]

And, I think the one horse being overlooked is Dreaming Of Anna. Her pedigree suggests that 1 1/4 mile won't be a problem and she's already beaten boys and shown a liking for Churchill Downs. I understand that the Santa Anita Derby might be a possible test for her - she's definitely worth watching.

[Sam]

Just to rattle Sam's cage a little - I like these two because they lack Storm Cat/Unbridled's Song in their pedigrees, so they might actually last long enough to run in the KY Derby.

Well now that was truly a moronic statement. What makes you think that rattles my cage? I'm no real fan of either stallion line.

[Rokeby Forever]

Oh, Sam - don't be modest...you're the biggest defender of those stallion lines. If not, which do tickle your fancy? It's no secret that I'm a Hail To Reason fan - pick just about any branch of it.

[Sam]

Oh, Sam - don't be modest...you're the biggest defender of those stallion lines. If not, which do tickle your fancy? It's no secret that I'm a Hail To Reason fan - pick just about any branch of it.

What the hell are you reading?

I'm no defender of Storm Cat or Unbridled's Song as a sireline. I'm also not the zealot you are in denouncing them. I recognize and appreciate them for what they are. Nothing more. If you own a part in either stallion, they're a goldmine.. I wouldn't breed a mare to Ub'S with someone else's money. I've yet to see a son that was worth breeding to, though there is one I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to... for now.

Storm Cat is another issue. You're just to locked into looking for a fight to see past a single stat that is so easily manipulated in young stallions and too narrow minded to have noticed that I basically agreed with a lot of what you said, just not all of it. I've always maintained, LONG before you crawled out from under your bridge, that just about all the Storm Cat sons are overpriced and that most of them should be gelded. But for you to acknowledge that would mean you'd have to find something else to try and pick a fight over. You're the moron who seems to think all 10 of SC's first year sons should be ranked in the top ten... ignoring the fact that 8 of them were. They aren't all failures, you just have an unrealistically high expectation.

You're also the idiot who tried to tell us that Ub'S stud fee was some how dependant on what his sons stand for. Really, that had to have been the most idiotic statement I've seen you make so far.

As for what sirelines I prefer, shall I blame your short term memory loss on too much moonshine? I said not to long ago that I was a Roberto... more specifically a Kris S. You even commented on it.

I REALLY don't like attention whores. Trolls are bad enough, but when you finally cross the line... and you are dangerously close to it, Rokeby... you're going to find out how much I really don't like attention whores.

[Rokeby Forever]

Cry, Havoc! And let slips the dogs of war, huh?

Um...about not understanding the English language, please quote where I said UB's fee was based on fees earned by his sons? I made 2 comparisons - (1) average earnings/per runner vs his $200,000 fee, and (2) that if you want to breed to that line, you can get the same rotten feet out of an offspring like Rockport Harbor for a lot less than the fee of Unbridled's Song.

Seems that you follow me around, not the other way around...it must be my cologne that keeps you following my posts like a bee to honey.

[Rokeby Forever]

The quote, which you refer to, states:

"And, someone in the TB world thinks Unbridled's Song is a sire of sires - there's gotta be a reason why he stands for $200,000 when his average runner earns only $70,000 or so. That's roughly 1/3 of the fee - the same as Storm Cat's average runner earning about $145,000 - about 1/3 of his fee."

That talks about average earnings/runner....not stud fees of sons. Earnings on the racetrack somehow means stud fees? Did you even go to school, Sam?

Now look what you've done - Roguelet is going to get the ruler out again. But I ask Roguelet to view Sam's idiocy and what prompted this reply.