This is a crazy year for fillies

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:28 pm

Normally, you get a filly and if you can beat the boys, you are doing good. You are a GREAT filly and rightfully so.

This year... what's in the water!!!

First you have Rags, who did something that no other filly in 102 years have done, which is beat the boys in the belmont. Not only that, she's won 4GRADE 1 races in a row. The circus that surrounds her aside, she's a world class filly ovbiously.

Earlier this year a filly by the name of Vodka in Japan won the Japanese DERBY. First filly in 75 years. She is probably one of the best T'Breds in Japan PERIOD. she was if not the fav, one of the top 2 choices in the Following Grade 1 versus older horses (including Admire moon and pop rock) and if she woudlnt' have gotten cut off in the stretch might have won.

Then they both somewhat one upped as the "it" filly by
Rag's own cousin and long distance stablemate peeping fawn. She's the hot choice for the Arc, even though they are now saying she's "iffy" for the arc

But Darjina today topped both of them.

She not only won the Prix du Moulin at Longchamp today in her 4th EVER race against older HORSES like George Washington and Romanti. She won IN HAND!!! She was never truly contested nor in doubt.

winds · Postby **winds** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:47 pm

In Europe they have no problem running fillies against the colts. I'm not sure if they get weight from the boys, but I wouldn't be surprised since the males are supposed to be stronger and faster. The boys giving a couple of pounds is like them carrying equal weight. The weights get closer as the year gets longer.

Only in America would there be a cry because a 3yr old filly beat the boys, while getting weight from them, though the above is the reasoning for it. I couldnt' believe my ears when Jerry Bailey more or less cried foul when Rags won the Belmont because she was getting weight from the colts. Why didn't he cry foul before the race, because he didn't think she'd win, that's why.

More power for the girls, keep doing it ladies.

winds

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:51 pm

with the ease she won with today (and trust me, she was well within herself) she could have carried 5 pounds more than the boys and won

If Baily wanted to take a second to stop pimping his "win with jerry" dvd (which sucks btw) and cry foul, it should be that Rags tackled Curlin in his 3rd Grade 1 in 5 weeks, going a mile and a half, while she hadn't raced in a month, and when she did it was against (considering) a weaker field, basically a paid workout.

Mac · Postby **Mac** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:21 pm

BDW, we are indeed having a year of super fillies, and the Rags - Peeping Fawn angle is one of the most interesting. I am studying female family pedigrees right now and this particular family is getting very fascinating to watch.

Speaking of fillies and one of our favorite sires, one of Pleasant Tap's fillies (well, mare) named Solo Survivor won a grade 3 today. (Not against males, though).

Go Pleasant Tap!!!

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:42 pm

Mac wrote:BDW, we are indeed having a year of super fillies, and the Rags - Peeping Fawn angle is one of the most interesting. I am studying female family pedigrees right now and this particular family is getting very fascinating to watch.

Speaking of fillies and one of our favorite sires, one of Pleasant Tap's fillies (well, mare) named Solo Survivor won a grade 3 today. (Not against males, though).

Go Pleasant Tap!!!

I mentioned the peeping fawn/R2R/Jazil connection in a previous post.. they all come from the same female family. Boy if you own anything out of this family come tomorrow you are sittin pretty at the sale.

I just saw the race on replay.. she was a shot and got a graded stakes win, can't beat that.

Interesting note about Pleasant Tap, I"m surprised he's not seen as more of a "filly sire" than he is.. he's seen as a .... money clogging they don't get good until they are 7 sire.

Granted, Pleasant Tap didn't become "pleasant Tap" until he was really 4, even though he was 2nd in a grade 2 at the age of 2.. I've seen worse

however what I find VERRRRY interesting, is that if you take a look at his pedigree.. two of the biggest influences in pleasant Tap are probably the most.. no THE most important dam of all time (LA TROIENNE) and PRINCEQUILLO who is the damsire of Secretariat.

I think pleasant Tap is catching on. he just had a sales topper in Texas like a week ago. He also bred over 100 mares this year.

look at my sig and that will tell you what I think of pleasant Tap. I equate every stallion to how many pleasant Taps that could by.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:13 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syanKGRaFc

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:24 am

bdw0617 wrote:
Mac wrote:BDW, we are indeed having a year of super fillies

The four filly Ruffian Handicap convinces you of that? The filly/mare division, in my memory, has never been weaker.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:23 am

bdw0617 wrote:......I mentioned the peeping fawn/R2R/Jazil connection in a previous post.. they all come from the same female family. Boy if you own anything out of this family come tomorrow you are sittin pretty at the sale......

My broodmare, Miss Ballet, is out of this same family, 8-f. Her '06 Rocking Trick filly is a real looker, and will be for sale in the October Fasig Tipton yearling sale.

Mac · Postby **Mac** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:50 am

Rok, I wasn't referring to the Ruffian...rather, to BDW's point that fillies around the world are winning prestigious races against males this year.

winds · Postby **winds** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:02 am

Wow! She was impressive, I wish I could understand what they were saying though. But even so, the race itself spoke volumes.

winds

ah01 · Postby **ah01** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:39 am

Darjina's performance was very good but shes going to struggle in France or travelling to the UK or Ire because she needs fast ground. At royal ascot she got beat 7 lengths on gd to soft which shows the difference it makes to her. Not sure what the racing plans are for her, i think shes in the sun chariot in about a months time (from memory) where she probably wont get her ground. Saying that its rained all summer so who knows.

I've got a lingering doubt she's a better horse than George Washington aswell, he didnt get out till late and always takes a while to build momentum, she wasnt extending the gap just maintaining it at the end. He's also run Authorised to a neck over 10 furlongs this year so is 8f really his trip? He's an enigma but theres only so many excuses to make for him in truth. Too many imponderables.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:49 pm

1. the farther they would have went, the more she was opening up.

2. george washington might be the most overrated horse in the world. and the biggest headcase

3. Sun chariot is next for her.

ah01 · Postby **ah01** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:05 pm

She was about 3 lengths ahead when GW got out. She then went about 4 clear of him as he wound up. At the end there were maybe 2 lengths separating them. The filly was eased...but not a huge amount, as was GW before the line

I've just asked a friend to make sure im not going insane and he thinks you are watching a different race if you think she was opening up at the line

Just to add, ive never back GW and never will - nor am i a big fan incase thats what you are thinking!

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:36 am

I would love to see Peeping Fawn come over here instead of to the Arc.