Peppers Pride runs on Sunday

[Rokeby Forever]

Here's what's wrong with this sport: Pepper's Pride is 12-12 and running on Sunday at Zia Park. Has the media picked up on her?

OK, she's New Mexican bred and yet to run outside her state, but 12-12 is a tremendous accomplishment for ANY racehorse - how many have done it?

This is why racing is swirling in the toilet - have you read a single promotion about her running on Sunday? Has ESPN decided to show her race instead of some poker tournament? Has the NTRA even issued a press release about her?

If Peppers Pride continues to run up her undefeated total and perhaps try the girls at Santa Anita some day, she might hit the radar screen - but why does it have to wait until then? This filly has the potential of making history and the sport could care less about it.

C'mon...everyone here is in the business and/or a racing enthusiast. Why is this the first post about this filly? I'll be at the sportsbook on Sunday watching the simulcast and rooting for this filly - should she win, you can bet that I'll write the NTRA about this filly since none of the people there even know that Peppers Pride exists.

[spex4me]

Thank you Roke..... we need to bring the spotlight to these horses when the spotlight isn't finding them. I had a dalmatian named Pepper...I'll root for her too!!

[geowarrior]

TVG has been showing Zia Park. Why don't you email them and point this out if they're not aware of it already? I bet they'd make a little something of it.

[Rokeby Forever]

TVG has been showing Zia Park. Why don't you email them and point this out if they're not aware of it already? I bet they'd make a little something of it.

That's exactly the point, Geo - have you heard anything this week on TVG about Peppers Pride running on Sunday? Or a word about it on ESPN? Why should stations be dependent on outsiders contacting them...they're the ones that should be telling us about events like this and televising them because they're important to the sport.

[Maven]

Here's what's wrong with this sport: Pepper's Pride is 12-12 and running on Sunday at Zia Park. Has the media picked up on her?

OK, she's New Mexican bred and yet to run outside her state, but 12-12 is a tremendous accomplishment for ANY racehorse - how many have done it?

Wait a minute... we had a whole conversation about how you didn't think a mare like Hallowed Dreams deserved much respect because she beat up a bunch of LA breds and your exact words were "who couldn't do that".

Just confused...

[Rokeby Forever]

Maven - Hallowed Dreams beat up on 4 and 5 filly fields. Peppers Pride is in a full 12 filly/mare field on Sunday. Name me ONE time that Hallowed Dreams faced a full field.

How can you deny that the New Mexico breeding program is on the upswing? When Hallowed Dreams raced, Louisiana's breeding program couldn't have been worse (even with the 2008 addition of Gentlemen to it ). Storm Cat blood is now flowing like streams in New Mexico like the Rocky Mountain streams in those Coors commercials with the royal likes of Eishin Storm, Distinctive Cat, Dominique's Cat, Elegant Cat, Gen Stormin'Norman, Stagecoach, Storm Of Goshen, Dome, and Scatmandu. How can a Storm Cat pompom shakin' gal like you not be impressed with the quality of competition that Peppers Pride faces every time she runs?

[Maven]

I'd like you to show me the difference of quality between what Hallowed Dreams faced and this filly?

I never once denounced the filly or the New Mexico breeding program... stop trying to do a bait and switch. Answer your own question... whats the difference in quality of fields?

I'd like to see the fields compared with official PP's before you start making blanket statements.

In my mind, a win streak like this is impressive regardless of competition, but you're always so quick to tear something down and then cheer loudly for something else with similar credentials... we spoke about Hallowed Dreams less than a week ago and now this.

Your official answer off the forum was "you brought up good points that made me think there was something to Hallowed Dreams and her record", but you can't quite seem to force yourself to give credit where it's due for all to see on the forum.

At least be consistent.

It's also worth noting this filly's sire is a half-brother to Better Than Honour, the dam of Rags to Riches and Jazil.

[Rokeby Forever]

It's also worth noting this filly's sire is a half-brother to Better Than Honour, the dam of Rags to Riches and Jazil.

Am I to be impressed that Better Than Honour is the dam of three year old washups? I'd like Peppers Pride to continue her winning ways - not fall by the wayside.

Compare quality? Hallowed Dream's 12th and 13th wins were allowance races at Evangelines Downs. Her 14th win was the Tellike Stakes at Evangelines Downs, when she beat three fillies. Peppers Pride comes off three Handicap wins, with her last win being against an 8 horse field. Her prior start, the Lincoln Handicap, also had an 8 horse field. Her 13th race will be in a 12 horse, $150,000 race.

I didn't accuse you of denouncing NM's breeding program...but with all those marvelous sons of Storm Cat standing there, isn't it fair to say that Peppers Pride faces better bred fields than Hallowed Dreams ever did? At least be consistent, you Storm Cat pompom skaker, you!

[Maven]

You still can't come up with pp's to compare quality... you're going on number of starts in a race as your source of quality. Try again.

And I'm not half the Storm Cat cheerleader as you claim, I just hate to hear the constant berating of him and respond with facts about his stud career. But STOP trying to make this thread about Storm Cat.

It's about a nice filly. I was just trying to better understand your logic concerning her when you denounced Hallowed Dreams a week ago.

[Rokeby Forever]

I feel like a I'm chiseling through Granite, so let me try this again.

Hallowed Dreams was often the speed in four and five filly races. Peppers Pride is often the speed in bigger fields...but in bigger fields, isn't the likelihood of something going wrong much greater? Let's assume that the talent level is/was equal. If Hallowed Dreams got left at the gate, she'd have only three fillies to overtake....Peppers Pride has more to overtake. In my mind, that makes her streak more impressive.

Where can you pull up the PPs from Zia Park, anyway?

Who's making this a thread about Storm Cat? I'm writing that with all that precious Storm Cat blood running through the veins of NM Breds, isn't it a step up from the LA Breds with Zarbyev as a sire/grandsire? Or...are all things equal?

[UmmYeah]

Not gonna get in the middle of this "discussion" but here's the form from her last race (which she won easily): http://www.brisnet.com/Promo/rd_contest/rotd2007-10-22.pdf

She's a horse I've been following for a bit now, so I hope she kicks some ass tomorrow.

[Rokeby Forever]

Thank you, Ummm Yeah - and please jump in with your thoughts.

[UmmYeah]

I think that any horse that wins that much and is that consistent, is OK by me, no matter what level it is.

[Maven]

Ditto.

[Rokeby Forever]

Ditto.

Hallowed Dreams was fast and consistent...but her streak was definitely aided by facing short fields. Mr Frisky raced in short fields in Puerto Rico, but he extended his streak in a larger field in the Santa Anita Derby. Hallowed Dreams did no such thing in Louisiana.