Horse Doped up in win at Saratoga

[bdw0617]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/90256.html


long=short, Donna Wormser dopped up Starforaday who won on travers day, 1k fine, 30 day suspension, must forfit winnings of the race.

[Sysonby]

bdw, do you have any clue what clenbutrol actually is?

"Doped up"?

You make it sound like its hop or something.

[winds]

If it was a smaller horse, she probably needed to stop on the clen a couple of days earlier than she did. Or she just didn't count the days correctly. Or, NY's testing is more stringent than other places. I'm sure she didn't use it the same day the horse was to run, that would be stupid.

I worked for a trainer that used clen on all of his horses. We had a list that he gave us (head assistant, and me the 2nd assistant) every day. What happened one day, the head assistant gave me the list and I started down the shed. As I went down the shed and gave a couple of the horses their dose, I started to think that they were in the next day. So I stopped, opened up the paper (it was folded) and saw the date. It was the day before's list. I went to the head assistant and showed him the date. He said "Well, you'd better go tell Dale what you did" So, I went and did that. Luckily for me, he knew how the head assistant worked and we had a meeting at the end of the morning. Also, luckily for me it was winter and the races were cancelled so the 2 horses I gave the clen to we didn't have to scratch.

Do you know the head assistant tried to put everything on me. But, he would get the paper out of the locked box (also had the clen in it) fold it and hand it to me. So, I was used to taking a folded paper and going on. Then the head assistant tried to blame the trainer for keeping the old paper in the box!!!!

He wasn't fired, he was a cousin of the trainer.

But my point is, you know to the minute when you have to stop administering, but he had to suffer through a couple of fines when he was learning when he had to stop on some of the horses, and he stopped on smaller horses earlier than the larger ones.

winds

[Sysonby]

I agree winds. That's probably what happened and it was a heckuva expensive lesson for her.

[winds]

It sure was. I'm sure she had the money spent before she even got the check to the bank. I'd probably have to take out a loan to pay that back!

winds

[Tucumcari]

Gosh, I take clenbuterol.... I don't think I'm doped up. But does it allow me to breathe longer and more efficiently? OH YA.
It is tough when it is your assistant or your foreman who screwed up, and didn't have the balls to fess up to the mistake. And the trainer pays the price for it.

[KAL]

Not tough... trainer responsibility rule. Shouldn't matter who made the mistake... trainer is responsible.

Even if they "fessed up", the trainer of record is held responsible. On the other hand, I am certain, confession or not, this would affect the employer-employee relationship.

[Tucumcari]

KAL, believe me when I say that I know that as well as anyone as I've done it, and had my foreman accidentally treat a horse that was in.Difference being we had the balls to step up and admit it and the horses were scratched. No bad test. It's simple. Yes, accidents happen. But as a valuable employee you ought to look out for your employer and have the guts to take a beat if you are deserving of one. At the very least have the balls to step up and save your employer a fine or a suspension or both.

[Rokeby Forever]

Donna Wormser was a pinhooker (she resold Songandaprayer)...when did she start training?

[bdw0617]

Donna Wormser was a pinhooker (she resold Songandaprayer)...when did she start training?

the article says she trained down in ocala , FL, maybe this was one she tried to pinhook and didn't get anything for and decided to race?

[winds]

An assistant or foreman, if they screw up has to tell the trainer. No if's and's or but's. I did, he was pissed but he was glad I told him. We were lucky though, didn't have to scratch 'cause racing was cancelled because of bad weather.

winds

[Tucumcari]

Exactly Winds. If you run thru the barn at 3 or 4 am giveing clen to everyone some time something will go wrong. It's a matter of being honest enough/brave enough to step up to the plate when you are wrong. How valuable are you as an employee if you just keep your mouth shut and let the pieces fall where they may? THAT's irresponsible.
It's happened to me. I had a foreman do it, but fortunately we were all honest enough to come forth for the better of our employer.

[bdw0617]

An assistant or foreman, if they screw up has to tell the trainer. No if's and's or but's. I did, he was pissed but he was glad I told him. We were lucky though, didn't have to scratch 'cause racing was cancelled because of bad weather.

winds

people are human, they have, will and will always screw up from time to time. Only a bad and unreasonable manager will get pissed over one screw up.. unless that screwup was the kentucky derby of course lol.


what I want to know is, why is it okay to administer when not racing but not okay on race day? that's like saying something is "kinda a drug, kinda isn't". I'm sure it has a helpful effect but at the same time, ot ovbiously provides some type of competivie advantage.

[Tucumcari]

They have a withdrawl time for a reason. Clenbuterol is a performance enhancer in that it is like someone whith or without asthma taking a puff of a salbuterol inhaler. It allows your lungs to function farther and more efficiently.
It is a theraputic medication that is commonly used in bleeders or horses with mucous. BUT the W/D time is established when has "worn off" systemically. People have been known to abuse it some as it does allow for better airway function.
All medications that we utilize theraputically have a withdrawl time.

[BenB]

The time clenbuterol tests as positive is about 14 days up to an month it depends mostly on the horse immune system.