hmmm.
Since being claimed for 35, he's dropped down to 25 and now 15, still a maiden and unclaimed as of yet...
I saw him in the paddock on TV, and when they tried to put on his blinkers, he grabbed the hood in his teeth and tossed it up in the air . . .then did a half-rear with a lunge forward that looked like an attempt to pin his groom against the stall wall with his chest. No ears pinned or anything, but that didn't look like playing to me. The hood was not new.
He came in third. And he's already a gelding.
Don't think he wants to be a racehorse.
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Still Tracking my claimed horse and he's unhappy
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Still Tracking my claimed horse and he's unhappy
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wilf
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Can we follow him Toccet? if you miss him so much why not claim him back as you would still be way ahead. I lost a 9 year old once and took him back on the raise,he was good to me before that and good to me after; I just could not let him drift away into obscurity. It is your money though and it's easy for me to call the play from the bleachers.
I just owned a piece through a partnership so I can not claim him back no, and I never met him in person so I can't say I'm attached. It was a gifted share so I can't even say I picked him!
It's just that I assume he's not into racing, and I hope he gets a new job that he's good at. Instead of the horrible alternatives.
It seems such a waste...he has at least 20 good years ahead of him barring accident or illness; let him learn a new career.
NYC Police horse?
He's got the 'tude!
It's just that I assume he's not into racing, and I hope he gets a new job that he's good at. Instead of the horrible alternatives.
It seems such a waste...he has at least 20 good years ahead of him barring accident or illness; let him learn a new career.
NYC Police horse?
He's got the 'tude!
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Toccet: To be really frank here, unless someone steps up to retire this horse, chances are he'll keep falling through the claiming ranks until he's injured or (for racing purposes) worthless. He (or she) will then end up being dumped at an auction and sold to the KB. It is HIGHLY unlikely there will be a fairy tale ending on the NYC Police Force.
You aren't attached to him, you didn't pick him and you "just" owned him through a partnership ... However, it sounds like the horse put money in your pocket.
If you really have some concern about this horse, here's something you can do. Call the track where he is now racing and ask for the trainer's telephone number. Call the trainer and ask if the horse is for sale. He probably won't be, but get your name in with the trainer and the owner and make sure they know you give a damn about what happens to the horse. Follow him in your virtual stable. Keep in touch with the trainer (and if the animal keeps getting claimed, then the trainer after that, and the one after that, and the one after that ...)
If the horse is for sale, see if you can raise the $ to buy him. Check with your local CANTER or other thoroughbred rescue organization and see if they have space. New Vocations takes in sound OTTBs and retrains them for adopters. Heck - CALL the NYC police and tell them you have found a horse that would be perfect for their mounted division!
What I am trying to point out here is that you don't have to just sit on the sideline and wonder why can't someone help this horse. YOU can help this horse.
Or even just this - make a contribution to CANTER or Thoroughbred Charities of America or Old Friends.
Any time a person gets an interest in a racehorse - gifted or otherwise - and whether they acknowledge it or otherwise - they have been given not only an interest in a money-making business but stewardship responsibilities over the animal that's making the money.
You aren't attached to him, you didn't pick him and you "just" owned him through a partnership ... However, it sounds like the horse put money in your pocket.
If you really have some concern about this horse, here's something you can do. Call the track where he is now racing and ask for the trainer's telephone number. Call the trainer and ask if the horse is for sale. He probably won't be, but get your name in with the trainer and the owner and make sure they know you give a damn about what happens to the horse. Follow him in your virtual stable. Keep in touch with the trainer (and if the animal keeps getting claimed, then the trainer after that, and the one after that, and the one after that ...)
If the horse is for sale, see if you can raise the $ to buy him. Check with your local CANTER or other thoroughbred rescue organization and see if they have space. New Vocations takes in sound OTTBs and retrains them for adopters. Heck - CALL the NYC police and tell them you have found a horse that would be perfect for their mounted division!
What I am trying to point out here is that you don't have to just sit on the sideline and wonder why can't someone help this horse. YOU can help this horse.
Or even just this - make a contribution to CANTER or Thoroughbred Charities of America or Old Friends.
Any time a person gets an interest in a racehorse - gifted or otherwise - and whether they acknowledge it or otherwise - they have been given not only an interest in a money-making business but stewardship responsibilities over the animal that's making the money.
you are right. These are things I can do.
And we can't do it for every horse, but certainly for the ones we have a personal connection to. He is in my Virtual Stable, so I'll see what's nwext for him.
I was mainly kidding re NYP--they tend to use Quarter horses although I think I've heard of some OTTBs.
Hmmm. I'll discuss with the guy who gifted me his share--as he still has ties to the managing partners.
Thanks for the wake up call.
And we can't do it for every horse, but certainly for the ones we have a personal connection to. He is in my Virtual Stable, so I'll see what's nwext for him.
I was mainly kidding re NYP--they tend to use Quarter horses although I think I've heard of some OTTBs.
Hmmm. I'll discuss with the guy who gifted me his share--as he still has ties to the managing partners.
Thanks for the wake up call.
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oh--and not that it matters, but he certainly did NOT put any money in my pocket---since I laid out no $$ for him, and those who did LOST money, I would only get my tiny percentage of winnings if his career was a profit.
Just didn't want you to think I was heartless and richer for the experience.
Just didn't want you to think I was heartless and richer for the experience.
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Toccet, I've got to agree with MaryinMI. There's just been SO MANY graded stakes winners that have wound up in feedlots that we have discovered. Remember Ferdinand! If any horse should have had former owners looking out for him, it was that one.
It really helps a horse to have someone out there just to have a safety net. I understand that you may not feel that you have the wherewithal to buy him and keep him, but you'd be surprised how you can get the ball rolling, especially for a sound horse that develops a case of the Idontwannas. If you just maintain a contact with a local org like CANTER and with the trainer, when the day comes that they want to transition him out, you can ask for help from the rescue orgs and they might at least be able to network for you. Sites like www.excellerfund.org and www.alexbrownracing.com/forum also help a lot of horses to find new homes. There are so many horses transitioning out everyday, it's not easy to snap your fingers and find someone to buy a horse from a trainer for $1000, but it's not that hard to find a home for a sound one that is being given away. If you could provide a few hundred dollars for the trainer or for shipping or something, it can give him a whole new life sometimes.
You'll feel so much better in five years if you know that he became a hunter somewhere. If you always wonder what happened to him, you won't feel nearly as good.
I'm on the west coast, but if I can help you, please pm me.
It really helps a horse to have someone out there just to have a safety net. I understand that you may not feel that you have the wherewithal to buy him and keep him, but you'd be surprised how you can get the ball rolling, especially for a sound horse that develops a case of the Idontwannas. If you just maintain a contact with a local org like CANTER and with the trainer, when the day comes that they want to transition him out, you can ask for help from the rescue orgs and they might at least be able to network for you. Sites like www.excellerfund.org and www.alexbrownracing.com/forum also help a lot of horses to find new homes. There are so many horses transitioning out everyday, it's not easy to snap your fingers and find someone to buy a horse from a trainer for $1000, but it's not that hard to find a home for a sound one that is being given away. If you could provide a few hundred dollars for the trainer or for shipping or something, it can give him a whole new life sometimes.
You'll feel so much better in five years if you know that he became a hunter somewhere. If you always wonder what happened to him, you won't feel nearly as good.
I'm on the west coast, but if I can help you, please pm me.
"When I am on my deathbed, I imagine I will say, 'Thank God I did that'" - Arthur Hancock, on buying back Gato del Sol from Europe after Exceller was killed in a slaughterhouse in Sweden.
I never thought you were heartless, Toccet. I just thought you didn't know what to do. I just wanted you and others to know there are things one can do.
No you can't do it for every racehorse that goes to the track, but every racehorse that goes to the track and runs for money has people that can do something for it.
I apologize for the statement about money in your pocket. I inferred that from the comment about being glad he was claimed from your partnership at more than twice his claiming price now.
ETA: And I hope you will post about your ongoing oversight of this horse - how he is running - what your p'ship contacts have to say - what the NYC Police Commissioner said to you ...
No you can't do it for every racehorse that goes to the track, but every racehorse that goes to the track and runs for money has people that can do something for it.
I apologize for the statement about money in your pocket. I inferred that from the comment about being glad he was claimed from your partnership at more than twice his claiming price now.
ETA: And I hope you will post about your ongoing oversight of this horse - how he is running - what your p'ship contacts have to say - what the NYC Police Commissioner said to you ...
No offense taken--and I didn't mean to sound whiney!
I actually just searched the Mounted unit on Google, and even on the NY Police homepage there's nothing. But I can call 311, the new info #. I can at least ask if they have a program and maybe put the bug in someone's ear.
All suggestions are good ones.
I felt a little bad about saying I was glad he was claimed, but honestly, it was no fun watching him turn in dull efforts and routinely finishing 5th to 7th, knowing your excited friends (this was their first partnership horse) are losing money.
I also think he tried hard when he was younger and now he's just thinking "eh, whatever". My friends who bought a share in him got their initial buy-in rate defrayed by the claim money, but that gets spread around to the partners too, so not much.
I certainly have no facilities to keep a horse or the $$ to do so, but I suppose I could buy and give him to a rescue farm.
I'll keep you posted.
Hey, maybe he'll find the right niche or the right connections and end up a familiar beloved NY claimer who runs for years. Then he'll have a better shot at a good home later. He does seem sound, which God knows is becoming a rarity.
Anyway, really grateful for the ideas.
I actually just searched the Mounted unit on Google, and even on the NY Police homepage there's nothing. But I can call 311, the new info #. I can at least ask if they have a program and maybe put the bug in someone's ear.
All suggestions are good ones.
I felt a little bad about saying I was glad he was claimed, but honestly, it was no fun watching him turn in dull efforts and routinely finishing 5th to 7th, knowing your excited friends (this was their first partnership horse) are losing money.
I also think he tried hard when he was younger and now he's just thinking "eh, whatever". My friends who bought a share in him got their initial buy-in rate defrayed by the claim money, but that gets spread around to the partners too, so not much.
I certainly have no facilities to keep a horse or the $$ to do so, but I suppose I could buy and give him to a rescue farm.
I'll keep you posted.
Hey, maybe he'll find the right niche or the right connections and end up a familiar beloved NY claimer who runs for years. Then he'll have a better shot at a good home later. He does seem sound, which God knows is becoming a rarity.
Anyway, really grateful for the ideas.
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I'm in a similar position to Toccet. I have a former partnership horse who is now with a trainer I disapprove of and he is dropping through the claiming ranks. As many of you know, I already had to buy one of my former partnership horses to ensure his safety (I had met my horses and was attached to them), and even if this one dropped to bottom claiming level I could not afford to take on another horse. The one I rescued is eating up all my disposable income. I'm unwilling to contact this trainer as I have nothing to offer him and the horse is still way beyond bottom level claiming price. I fear he will end up breaking down on the track.
Since he is now at Hawthorne, I plan to contact Canter Illinois as a first line of approach.
Like Toccet I did not make any money from the horse as he was dropped inadvisedly for a tag while he was still placing in allowance company and paying his way. He was claimed by Tom Amoss who won a very good purse with him and one smaller one as well as some place money, ulltimately profiting on the horse. Our partnership loss which was based on impatience and poor horsemanship was a massive capital loss, fortunately for me I had very little invested. After racing exclusively in allowance company for Amoss, the horse inexplicably appeared in January at the 20k level at Fair Grounds with first time front bandages. He won this race but was claimed by his current connections. I can only assume that he is weakened or injured possibly during or around the time of an allowance race he ran at Mountaineer in October (he did not race between October and January and his workout times noticeably slowed).
His current trainer has had a number of catastrophic breakdowns over the years and runs his horses back very frequently. Other than Canter, my best hope is that people on that circuit who are familiar with the horse will remember how talented he is and when the price drops sufficiently will claim him in hopes of freshening him, as I strongly believe he has more good races in him if he gets some actual TLC, rather than the factory run till they die treatment.
Right now he is at 18k, but as I said even at bottom level I couldn't take him.
I should also say that my former partnership doesn't care what happens to the horses, and the m.p. as good as threatened me when I complained about certain business practices involving the horses. Thus I'm not keen on calling a trainer whom I am unfamiliar with, but whose record does not impress me.
Bottom line, from my own experience, I don't think it's as easy for Toccet to ensure the safety of her particular horse as some of you are suggesting unless she actually has the money to buy him.
Since he is now at Hawthorne, I plan to contact Canter Illinois as a first line of approach.
Like Toccet I did not make any money from the horse as he was dropped inadvisedly for a tag while he was still placing in allowance company and paying his way. He was claimed by Tom Amoss who won a very good purse with him and one smaller one as well as some place money, ulltimately profiting on the horse. Our partnership loss which was based on impatience and poor horsemanship was a massive capital loss, fortunately for me I had very little invested. After racing exclusively in allowance company for Amoss, the horse inexplicably appeared in January at the 20k level at Fair Grounds with first time front bandages. He won this race but was claimed by his current connections. I can only assume that he is weakened or injured possibly during or around the time of an allowance race he ran at Mountaineer in October (he did not race between October and January and his workout times noticeably slowed).
His current trainer has had a number of catastrophic breakdowns over the years and runs his horses back very frequently. Other than Canter, my best hope is that people on that circuit who are familiar with the horse will remember how talented he is and when the price drops sufficiently will claim him in hopes of freshening him, as I strongly believe he has more good races in him if he gets some actual TLC, rather than the factory run till they die treatment.
Right now he is at 18k, but as I said even at bottom level I couldn't take him.
I should also say that my former partnership doesn't care what happens to the horses, and the m.p. as good as threatened me when I complained about certain business practices involving the horses. Thus I'm not keen on calling a trainer whom I am unfamiliar with, but whose record does not impress me.
Bottom line, from my own experience, I don't think it's as easy for Toccet to ensure the safety of her particular horse as some of you are suggesting unless she actually has the money to buy him.
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It can be done. It may or may not take any money - just effort and staying after it.
I did it and found her in a stall in WV. She had been there for 9 months with a slab fracture that should have been fatal. She was going to the killer, but the groom took her and some nice people looked after her. She is sound as a dollar now and you could not find the injury site if you tried. The lady said Carnation dry milk in her feed was the ticket. I believe it.
I tracked her down and brought her home last summer, to the very place where she was born and raised. She was bred last week to a very hot horse in Ocala.
No matter what happens with her from here on out, it was the right thing to do and against all odds, she made it back home.
In my opinion, this discussion has more merit than almost any other I have followed here.
I did it and found her in a stall in WV. She had been there for 9 months with a slab fracture that should have been fatal. She was going to the killer, but the groom took her and some nice people looked after her. She is sound as a dollar now and you could not find the injury site if you tried. The lady said Carnation dry milk in her feed was the ticket. I believe it.
I tracked her down and brought her home last summer, to the very place where she was born and raised. She was bred last week to a very hot horse in Ocala.
No matter what happens with her from here on out, it was the right thing to do and against all odds, she made it back home.
In my opinion, this discussion has more merit than almost any other I have followed here.
Update--my friends who owned (small share) the horse (Post Exchange--I guess revealing his identity couldn't hurt any now) DID just give me a check for my share of his claiming proceeds...which I wasn't expecting. As I detailed before on this thread, they lost $$ on him and I was only expecting a cut if the horse MADE them money. I tried to refuse it but they insisted. They appreciate the effort I've put into recommending horses to them (although this one was purchased w/o my input or even knowledge; truth be told he was never on my radar).
So...It's not a lot, but I will bank it in my "I wanna buy a TB someday fund" and use it to help him out someday, if necessary.
I feel more uncomfortable than happy about the money I may make going forward though...these friends of mine are obviously wealthy, and really enjoy being generous, but there are THREE 2YO fillies I own 1% of now, and can't imagine taking $$ for all three from their winnings whether or not they do well.
But they almost seem offended that I'm trying to refuse the money.
I need to talk this over with my husband.
I know some of you may feel like "oh yeah, nice problem to have", but I'm serious that it makes me uncomfortable.
So...It's not a lot, but I will bank it in my "I wanna buy a TB someday fund" and use it to help him out someday, if necessary.
I feel more uncomfortable than happy about the money I may make going forward though...these friends of mine are obviously wealthy, and really enjoy being generous, but there are THREE 2YO fillies I own 1% of now, and can't imagine taking $$ for all three from their winnings whether or not they do well.
But they almost seem offended that I'm trying to refuse the money.
I need to talk this over with my husband.
I know some of you may feel like "oh yeah, nice problem to have", but I'm serious that it makes me uncomfortable.
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Toccet02 wrote:Hey, maybe he'll find the right niche or the right connections and end up a familiar beloved NY claimer who runs for years. Then he'll have a better shot at a good home later. He does seem sound, which God knows is becoming a rarity.
Anyway, really grateful for the ideas.
we got a $4K claimer, gave him the time and care he needed, and he ran down the track until he ran out of conditions. luckily, we had space for him until he let down and then made a deal w/a trainer to find him another vocation. he's now eventing at the first-star level.