i'd like some answers

[hdembski]

In another post it talks about "steroids being legal". We'll i found a small article that id' love the "experts in the field to answer"

"Equipoise, also known as Winstrol V or Ganabol, also enhances performance. Equipoise, a controlled substance available only by veterinary prescription, is a steroid derived from stallions’ testosterone that causes steroid rages and alters the cycles of mares. Equipoise may make a horse more aggressive and more challenging to handle, but it also works as a steroidal spur toward more speed and endurance in racing, much like steroids have been shown to do in human athletes. (The potency of Equipoise has made it popular on the black market with human bodybuilders who take it for its physique-enhancing effects.) Racehorse trainers say they use Equipoise to stimulate appetite in horses whose digestive systems have been irritated by the caustic nature of bute and to manage estrous cycles. But, said Paulhus, "That’s a smokescreen."
Trainers inject cortisone, or corticosteroids, into joints, contributing to further bone deterioration. Corticosteroids are among the most powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but act as suppressants of cellular functions associated with immunity and healing. Cortisone injections into and around joints reduce swelling and inflammation, but mask pain and lameness; an injury can be aggravated if the horse is returned to exercise too soon. Prolonged use of corticosteroids can produce arthritis, adrenal insufficiency (since the medication can prompt the adrenal gland to stop making cortisone), and acute laminitis, a disease which strikes the inner structures of the feet. Also known as founder, laminitis has dire consequences, including death.The legs of a healthy horse should be cool to the touch; warmth is a sign of inflammation and, in the feet, a symptom of laminitis. But trainers take their horses to extremes by icing legs and feet, numbing them to the pain.
Trainers use other methods to cadge Thoroughbreds into racing, including banned drugs, illegal stimulants (a practice known as "hopping"), nerve-deadening surgery, even folk remedies. Unless the horse wins, or performs far out of step with the odds, like a longshot hitting the board or a odds-on favorite finishing way back, said one trainer, a call to the test barn is extremely unlikely."

OK where are the experts now who think we don't need sweeping changes in the industry and with trainers?

[larrygene]

My question to you is, Do you own and run a racehorse?

[Equipoise28]

I wish they'd chosen a different name for it. What an insult to the "Chocolate Soldier."

[diomed]

I wish they'd chosen a different name for it. What an insult to the "Chocolate Soldier."

Exactly what I was thinking.
Name a steroid after him. Ughh.

[hdembski]

My question to you is, Do you own and run a racehorse?

What does the fact of me owning or not owning a racehorse have to do with the information i quoted? anytime you want to address the issues...

[Shammy Davis]

hdembski asked:

OK where are the experts now who think we don't need sweeping changes in the industry and with trainers?

I am sure that the majority of the members of this board have concerns about performance enhancing drugs. It is apparent that it is used in the racing industry. But, across the board, the industry has done a good job of governing and enforcing regulations.

As Equipoise is prescribed by a Veterinarian, there are controls in place. We can only hope that they are administering them as they were intended. There are good professionals and there are bad professionals in this industry. It is the same in any industry.

If someone believes that trainers, owners, Veterinarians are stretching the rules they should report incident.

Humans regularly get anti-inflammatory steroid treatments. If not abused the treatment provides relief. It is the same with racehorses.

Sweeping changes would probably eliminate the violators, but it would probably eliminate those good trainers, owners, and other professionals who use the medications and treatments responsibly. We should not be "shooting" the horses, because the rider has a broken leg.

[hdembski]

hdembski asked:

OK where are the experts now who think we don't need sweeping changes in the industry and with trainers?

I am sure that the majority of the members of this board have concerns about performance enhancing drugs. It is apparent that it is used in the racing industry. But, across the board, the industry has done a good job of governing and enforcing regulations.

As Equipoise is prescribed by a Veterinarian, there are controls in place. We can only hope that they are administering them as they were intended. There are good professionals and there are bad professionals in this industry. It is the same in any industry.

If someone believes that trainers, owners, Veterinarians are stretching the rules they should report incident.

Humans regularly get anti-inflammatory steroid treatments. If not abused the treatment provides relief. It is the same with racehorses.

Sweeping changes would probably eliminate the violators, but it would probably eliminate those good trainers, owners, and other professionals who use the medications and treatments responsibly. We should not be "shooting" the horses, because the rider has a broken leg.

good post and i agree. Say with clemens, he likely approached his trainer for the steroids. A horse doesn't ask for a shot to run faster, someone has to make a decision to put it in him. I agree when medically neccesary i'm all for it. I am not nieve, i realize in all walks of life there is good or bad and you'll never stop all of the bad. But because they are innocent animals i feel they need more protection just as i would feel this about an elderly person, child, baby, that's all..

[spex4me]

My question to you is, Do you own and run a racehorse?

Problem with that is that if all racing had was owners or trainers to keep it afloat, well it'd sink faster than the Titianic.

And all this time my dumb butt thought Equipose28 was some pro-steroid fanatic.... thank you for the unintentional history lesson.

Also Vioxx was thought to be the bomb of a med but now all you can do is flip the channel on the TV and see a gazillion 800 number attorneys asking you to call them so they can file suit...... I see meds with a proper place and time usage. Not oh say every 15th of the month.....

[horsenuts]

In another post it talks about "steroids being legal". We'll i found a small article that id' love the "experts in the field to answer"

"Equipoise, also known as Winstrol V or Ganabol, also enhances performance. Equipoise, a controlled substance available only by veterinary prescription, is a steroid derived from stallions’ testosterone that causes steroid rages and alters the cycles of mares. Equipoise may make a horse more aggressive and more challenging to handle, but it also works as a steroidal spur toward more speed and endurance in racing, much like steroids have been shown to do in human athletes. (The potency of Equipoise has made it popular on the black market with human bodybuilders who take it for its physique-enhancing effects.) Racehorse trainers say they use Equipoise to stimulate appetite in horses whose digestive systems have been irritated by the caustic nature of bute and to manage estrous cycles. But, said Paulhus, "That’s a smokescreen."
Trainers inject cortisone, or corticosteroids, into joints, contributing to further bone deterioration. Corticosteroids are among the most powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but act as suppressants of cellular functions associated with immunity and healing. Cortisone injections into and around joints reduce swelling and inflammation, but mask pain and lameness; an injury can be aggravated if the horse is returned to exercise too soon. Prolonged use of corticosteroids can produce arthritis, adrenal insufficiency (since the medication can prompt the adrenal gland to stop making cortisone), and acute laminitis, a disease which strikes the inner structures of the feet. Also known as founder, laminitis has dire consequences, including death.The legs of a healthy horse should be cool to the touch; warmth is a sign of inflammation and, in the feet, a symptom of laminitis. But trainers take their horses to extremes by icing legs and feet, numbing them to the pain.
Trainers use other methods to cadge Thoroughbreds into racing, including banned drugs, illegal stimulants (a practice known as "hopping"), nerve-deadening surgery, even folk remedies. Unless the horse wins, or performs far out of step with the odds, like a longshot hitting the board or a odds-on favorite finishing way back, said one trainer, a call to the test barn is extremely unlikely."

OK where are the experts now who think we don't need sweeping changes in the industry and with trainers?

I had the flu recently and the Dr. gave me a steroid shot to get me back on my feet and eating better etc. I haven't suffered from "roid rage" yet. And 10s of millions of other patients are given steriods as well. Completely overblown about steroids. Yes, if an idiot ODs a horse or human on roids you're going to have a problem the same way any medicine that is abused causes problems. In fact aspirin probably kills more Americans then any drug because it eats a hole in the stomach of many people who overuse it which can lead to premature death. Steroids used with common sense are not the monsterous drug they are made out to be and why Drs. have been prescribing them for decades.


As for "ice to numb pain" etc?..... ice has been around for centuries in treating athletes both human and equine. It is an anti-inflammatory used commonoly in just about every athletic endeavor known.


I find your post to be far more antagonsitic then serious.

[horsenuts]

[duplicate post

[Hold Your Peace]

In another post it talks about "steroids being legal". We'll i found a small article that id' love the "experts in the field to answer"

"Equipoise, also known as Winstrol V or Ganabol, also enhances performance. Equipoise, a controlled substance available only by veterinary prescription, is a steroid derived from stallions’ testosterone that causes steroid rages and alters the cycles of mares. Equipoise may make a horse more aggressive and more challenging to handle, but it also works as a steroidal spur toward more speed and endurance in racing, much like steroids have been shown to do in human athletes. (The potency of Equipoise has made it popular on the black market with human bodybuilders who take it for its physique-enhancing effects.) Racehorse trainers say they use Equipoise to stimulate appetite in horses whose digestive systems have been irritated by the caustic nature of bute and to manage estrous cycles. But, said Paulhus, "That’s a smokescreen."
Trainers inject cortisone, or corticosteroids, into joints, contributing to further bone deterioration. Corticosteroids are among the most powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but act as suppressants of cellular functions associated with immunity and healing. Cortisone injections into and around joints reduce swelling and inflammation, but mask pain and lameness; an injury can be aggravated if the horse is returned to exercise too soon. Prolonged use of corticosteroids can produce arthritis, adrenal insufficiency (since the medication can prompt the adrenal gland to stop making cortisone), and acute laminitis, a disease which strikes the inner structures of the feet. Also known as founder, laminitis has dire consequences, including death.The legs of a healthy horse should be cool to the touch; warmth is a sign of inflammation and, in the feet, a symptom of laminitis. But trainers take their horses to extremes by icing legs and feet, numbing them to the pain.
Trainers use other methods to cadge Thoroughbreds into racing, including banned drugs, illegal stimulants (a practice known as "hopping"), nerve-deadening surgery, even folk remedies. Unless the horse wins, or performs far out of step with the odds, like a longshot hitting the board or a odds-on favorite finishing way back, said one trainer, a call to the test barn is extremely unlikely."

OK where are the experts now who think we don't need sweeping changes in the industry and with trainers?

It would be helpful to know who wrote the article and where it was published.

Link?

[pfrsue]

Out of curiosity, what was the source of the "small article" quoted?

[Edited to add - great minds think alike. lol]

[hdembski]

In another post it talks about "steroids being legal". We'll i found a small article that id' love the "experts in the field to answer"

"Equipoise, also known as Winstrol V or Ganabol, also enhances performance. Equipoise, a controlled substance available only by veterinary prescription, is a steroid derived from stallions’ testosterone that causes steroid rages and alters the cycles of mares. Equipoise may make a horse more aggressive and more challenging to handle, but it also works as a steroidal spur toward more speed and endurance in racing, much like steroids have been shown to do in human athletes. (The potency of Equipoise has made it popular on the black market with human bodybuilders who take it for its physique-enhancing effects.) Racehorse trainers say they use Equipoise to stimulate appetite in horses whose digestive systems have been irritated by the caustic nature of bute and to manage estrous cycles. But, said Paulhus, "That’s a smokescreen."
Trainers inject cortisone, or corticosteroids, into joints, contributing to further bone deterioration. Corticosteroids are among the most powerful anti-inflammatory agents, but act as suppressants of cellular functions associated with immunity and healing. Cortisone injections into and around joints reduce swelling and inflammation, but mask pain and lameness; an injury can be aggravated if the horse is returned to exercise too soon. Prolonged use of corticosteroids can produce arthritis, adrenal insufficiency (since the medication can prompt the adrenal gland to stop making cortisone), and acute laminitis, a disease which strikes the inner structures of the feet. Also known as founder, laminitis has dire consequences, including death.The legs of a healthy horse should be cool to the touch; warmth is a sign of inflammation and, in the feet, a symptom of laminitis. But trainers take their horses to extremes by icing legs and feet, numbing them to the pain.
Trainers use other methods to cadge Thoroughbreds into racing, including banned drugs, illegal stimulants (a practice known as "hopping"), nerve-deadening surgery, even folk remedies. Unless the horse wins, or performs far out of step with the odds, like a longshot hitting the board or a odds-on favorite finishing way back, said one trainer, a call to the test barn is extremely unlikely."

OK where are the experts now who think we don't need sweeping changes in the industry and with trainers?

I had the flu recently and the Dr. gave me a steroid shot to get me back on my feet and eating better etc. I haven't suffered from "roid rage" yet. And 10s of millions of other patients are given steriods as well. Completely overblown about steroids. Yes, if an idiot ODs a horse or human on roids you're going to have a problem the same way any medicine that is abused causes problems. In fact aspirin probably kills more Americans then any drug because it eats a hole in the stomach of many people who overuse it which can lead to premature death. Steroids used with common sense are not the monsterous drug they are made out to be and why Drs. have been prescribing them for decades.


As for "ice to numb pain" etc?..... ice has been around for centuries in treating athletes both human and equine. It is an anti-inflammatory used commonoly in just about every athletic endeavor known.


I find your post to be far more antagonsitic then serious.

I'm a medical professional so am aware of steroid use for legitimate reasons although even with a prednisone or medrol dose pack any consultant pharmacist will tell you about the dangers and effects it will have on you. I'm talking about trainers who use a steroid under some guise of "helping" when he's looking for an edge and the doctor who kinda knows it but gives it out anyway. Again, a patient goes to the doctor what does he do? throws meds at you to get you out. Eastern medicine, treat the symptom not the problem. and a human can look for the drugs or manipulate the doctor into giving them lortab. a horse can't and doesn't do that, they race their heart out and give it their all in additin to the love they give us. Many owners/trainers giv eit back and care for them properly, i'm after the one's who use them as a money machine without regard to what happens to them.

[hdembski]

The link

http://www.paws.org/about/mag/issues/issue40/omak.php

of course i'll hear about how it's written by some fanatic or someone "who doesn't know what they are talking about" because perhaps they don't own or train a race horse. Still, very factual and informative. People should read and learn and hopefully it raises questions

[Hold Your Peace]

The link

http://www.paws.org/about/mag/issues/issue40/omak.php

of course i'll hear about how it's written by some fanatic or someone "who doesn't know what they are talking about" because perhaps they don't own or train a race horse. Still, very factual and informative. People should read and learn and hopefully it raises questions

Bingo. It is written by some fanatic who doesn't know what they are talking about.

And it's not published in any sort of reputable publication.

This person goes on about trainers do this and trainers do that.

How would they know?

And how would you know what is "factual"? Certainly not much of what is in this so called article.