zarkava

[bdw0617]

I have been watching this filly, and while she is obviously a very nice mare... I just don't see what all the hype is about. Am I missing something?

[DDT]

bdw

She is a 3 year old filly that was Champion 2 year old filly in France. She was bred by the Aga Khan and has a record of 6 for 6 thus far including the Group 1 French 1000 Guineas, the Group 1 French Oaks and the Group 1 Prix Vermeille. She is currencly the favorite for the Arc as a 3 year old filly. She is perhaps the best European filly in the last 100 years.

DDT

[bdw0617]

i mean i watched her races. they aren't jaw dropping or anything.

and i'd wait until she WON the arc to give her that which i doubt she is

[chicago78]

I never respond to these type of debates on this forum. but if you watch her races, and think they're not jaw dropping, and don't understand the hype, you are literally blind and know nothing of the history of racing. She has won all 6 of her starts in dominating fashion, and usually only runs hard for an eighth of a mile.

What's amazing is that this post comes from the person that was calling Magnificience the fastest filly he'd ever seen or something after a maiden and a grade 3 win last year.

[bdw0617]

well thanks for putting words in my mouth. i never said magnificence was the fastest filly I ever saw. I never said she was the best filly in the country. I said she had a future, which she did until headly butched her.

talk about over exaggeration.

and i'm entitled to my opinion. I asked a question. who the hell are you to say "I obviously don't know anything about racing". All I asked was what was the big deal, DDT did a great job of explaining what the big deal, which I already knew she was undefeated, i'm not clueless... but ovbiously he sees something I didn't

questioning my history knowledge or anything else is down right rude and if I were to do something like that I'd be banned.

People disagree about the ability of a horse all the time.. if it weren't for that there would be no need for this forum. I might think curlin is the best thing since sliced bread, you may not. But I wouldn't say you don't' know jack 2@@@ about racing history if you dont' think what I think.

I think Ghostzapper is a freak of nature. you may not. so the heck what? I won't go around telling you just how clueless you really are.

you/I am entitled to your opinion, but to question my or anyone Else's knowledge of anything because of a differentiating of opinion is rude, childish and absurd. Yes I have my moments, but I don't call anyone stupid and if I did, it wouldn't be because we have a different opinion on something.

i'm out.

[Twingirl]

i mean i watched her races. they aren't jaw dropping or anything.

You watched the one where she was late out of the gate, against a field of great horses, came from 12 lengths behind to win?

We must not have the same jaw. Mine dropped.

here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsgdXISrmRM

[pfrsue]

Okay, I just watched that video. All I can say is that bdw, you're a hard man to impress.


Now can someone pick up my jaw for me and put it on ice until I can get it reattached?

[chicago78]

This is silly. But here you go. Since you can't quote an old post and put it in the current topic, here it is copy and pasted.



bdw0617
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject:

Rokeby Forever wrote:
Magnificience is the biggest overrate (as of now) since Kelly Clarkson...name a quality filly that she ever beat. Career maidens After Curfew and Chocolate Lava? Swiss Diva? Coco Belle?


okay now rok.. you've stepped the line. Talking about Magnificance is illegal in 48 states. when healthy, she's the best filly up to a mile in the country on dirt. No questions asked.


Up into the Kentucky Derby, who had the higher Beyer of all 3YO's in the country?

Street Sense?
Curlin?
Any Given Saturday?
Tiago?
Nobiz?
Scat DAddy?

Nope...


Magnificance. 107 in her 2nd start... was the highest by at least 5 points.

[bdw0617]

yes... a 107 beyer does not necessarly make a hore the next secreteriat. and it's not like I was lying. she got a 107 beyer in her 2nd race. yes hindsight is always 20/20 and if you want to pick my posts apart to look for failed picks, be my guest.


with that said, back to the subject at hand. I think if Zarkava was owned by joe smoe and not Aga Kahn, there would be none of this "best filly in 100 years talk". I mean she's uber talented, not saying that, but what I am saying is, when you start throwing around, best filly in at least 100 years, and I've seen more than one person say that, you are talking about an entirely new level of fillies.

I'm just as impressed by Zenyatta and Rags to Riches as I am by Zarkava. But to start to put her in the same class as all along, urban sea, allez france and Miesque.. she has alot to prove before she can be in that company. that's all I'm saying. Let's start with doing something all of those has done, beat the boys.

[Worksoplad]

yes... a 107 beyer does not necessarly make a hore the next secreteriat. and it's not like I was lying. she got a 107 beyer in her 2nd race. yes hindsight is always 20/20 and if you want to pick my posts apart to look for failed picks, be my guest.


with that said, back to the subject at hand. I think if Zarkava was owned by joe smoe and not Aga Kahn, there would be none of this "best filly in 100 years talk". I mean she's uber talented, not saying that, but what I am saying is, when you start throwing around, best filly in at least 100 years, and I've seen more than one person say that, you are talking about an entirely new level of fillies.

I'm just as impressed by Zenyatta and Rags to Riches as I am by Zarkava. But to start to put her in the same class as all along, urban sea, allez france and Miesque.. she has alot to prove before she can be in that company. that's all I'm saying. Let's start with doing something all of those has done, beat the boys.

I don't know, Bdw, This was the Racing Post's comment after the G-1 Poule d'Essai (1mile):

"Rarely do Classics centre around one runner in the way this race revolved around unbeaten filly ZARKAVA, but it was for good reason and she didn't disappoint, flying home from off a sound pace, recording a faster time than the colts and the fastest winning time for the race.
As with the colts' race, this had nowhere near the strength in depth of the Newmarket equivalent, but it's hard to believe Zarkava wouldn't have gone very close in that given the striking turn of foot she displayed yet again here. She initially took time to find full stride when asked to pick up, but she was soon in top gear and, having hit the front entering the final furlong, she won going away to confirm her reputation as the best filly of her generation in Europe."

And after the G-1 Prix Vermeille (1 1/2 miles):

"The third running of this since it was opened up to mares, and the biggest field of the three trials. Rather unusually the sexiest name on show today took her chance here in the shape of ZARKAVA who has been towards the head of the Arc betting prettymuch since the lists went up.
Although the likes of Aquarelliste and Leggera have gone on after winning this in recent seasons to finish in the frame in the Arc, you have to go back to Three Troikas in 1979 to find the last winner of this race to win it. On the evidence of what we saw today though, that run could well be coming to an end soon, as Zarkava put up an astonishing performance to stretch her unbeaten record to six, posting by far the quickest time of the trials in the process, and setting anew race record at the same time.
There had been doubts about whether she would stay this extra trip, and after allegedly failing to sparkle in her work at home on Tuesday, there were at least some reasons to suggest that her bubble may be burst here.When she was left fully six lengths after totally fluffing the start, another tick went in the negative column. None of that mattered however, as despite the fact she was still last of the 12 turning in, she had no trouble at all in picking these up, andafter making headway a furlong and a half out, she swooped to the front half a furlong from home, and was eased down as they crossed the line.
The bookmakers were suitably impressed, and she is now just 6-4 with Betfred and Stan James for the Arc. Shecertainly laid down a serious marker to her opposition, and having shown that she can see out this trip, she will be hard to beat in three weeks' time if able to repeat this effort."

[bdw0617]

i never said she wasn't good workload. do that against Duke, new approach, Raven's pass, the really good horse from Japan who is going whose name I forget, etc.. than we can talk about her being the best filly in 100 years.


do we not see this every year? Was big brown not the big red? Was Bernerdini not unbeatable? Wasn't Azeri supposed to be "way better than the boys in her crop" and got handled soundly whenever she ran against boys.


even overseas, not too long ago, whose name I forget, there was a filly who was undefeated and got throttled by Dubaiw or some other horse. yep it's divine proportions and she was beat by dubaiw in the prix jacques le marois

does the name Aquarelliste ring a bell? the "best filly europe has ever seen", also undefeated going in the arc and shakee beat her like a red headed stepchild.

so I'll hold off on the whole best filly in 100 years talk

[Worksoplad]

Well Bdw, the only time I have read the claim that she was the best filly in 100 years was in your initial post.

[DDT]

bdw

Just to clarify, I said "perhaps" the best European filly in the last 100 years, and I said she is favored in the Arc not that she will win it, but I do think the hype is justified and I do think she will win the Arc, that is my opinion. You said her races were not jaw dropping and asked were you missing something. The bookmakers make their living by setting correct odds, the bookmakers think she is the best going in, I tend to agree with them. We will see, but my money is on her.

DDT

[bdw0617]

Well Bdw, the only time I have read the claim that she was the best filly in 100 years was in your initial post.

NO joke, in the last week I've seen it at least 5 times.

on HRTV Millie Ball when talking about her last week made it sound like it the arc was a forgegone conclusion.

[UmmYeah]

She seems like a nice enough filly, but personally, I'd take Zenyatta over her.