belmont park, 12F Grade 1 on dirt that's been packed down to the brink.
lots of horses will be taking an extended vacation after this race
i dont' like this
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i dont' like this
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I almost wish that future connections would be required to take a course before running their horses in the TC races. And be drilled that, unless a Triple Crown is on the line, do not ever run your horse in all three races. And unless your horse is bred for 12 furlongs, skip the Belmont because it will knock your horse sideways.
I admire little Mine That Bird. He dug in when the tank was on fumes. He experienced what has stopped TC hopefuls in the past, fresh horses aimed specifically at one race.
Well, now that their little guy is toast, I hope that the connections enjoy & spend that $100k wisely. As I said weeks ago, this race was a meaningless oddball set up to have an outcome just like this. On top of that, they had to listen to that tacky song which personifies the event and town perfectly.
Give MTB a long rest, forget about targeting any summer 3yo race, and design his career for the real races coming up in late fall and early next year. And the same ones the next year.
I admire little Mine That Bird. He dug in when the tank was on fumes. He experienced what has stopped TC hopefuls in the past, fresh horses aimed specifically at one race.
Well, now that their little guy is toast, I hope that the connections enjoy & spend that $100k wisely. As I said weeks ago, this race was a meaningless oddball set up to have an outcome just like this. On top of that, they had to listen to that tacky song which personifies the event and town perfectly.
Give MTB a long rest, forget about targeting any summer 3yo race, and design his career for the real races coming up in late fall and early next year. And the same ones the next year.
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steward wrote:I almost wish that future connections would be required to take a course before running their horses in the TC races. And be drilled that, unless a Triple Crown is on the line, do not ever run your horse in all three races. And unless your horse is bred for 12 furlongs, skip the Belmont because it will knock your horse sideways.
I admire little Mine That Bird. He dug in when the tank was on fumes. He experienced what has stopped TC hopefuls in the past, fresh horses aimed specifically at one race.
Well, now that their little guy is toast, I hope that the connections enjoy & spend that $100k wisely. As I said weeks ago, this race was a meaningless oddball set up to have an outcome just like this. On top of that, they had to listen to that tacky song which personifies the event and town perfectly.
Give MTB a long rest, forget about targeting any summer 3yo race, and design his career for the real races coming up in late fall and early next year. And the same ones the next year.
I suppose your pineing for a return to Sidewalks of New York. The song does personify NY thats why they switched to it. Now go watch Secretariat, Seattle Slew and Affirmed win the Belmont on youtube, or even watch Risen Star and Easy Goer demolish their fields in the Belmont after running in the Derby and Preakness.
oliver, Risen Star didn't have much of a career after the Belmont. Citing one other exception to the rule after 30 years of raps to the forehead isn't much factual ammo either. Thanks for bolstering my point.
The game has changed. The Belmont serves the twin purposes of either determining a TC winner, or acting as a demonstration of what most racehorses aren't. I'm not against a 12f race. Oddball things are kind of fun. Around 1910, there were races staged that featured two human runners going about 500 yds, a couple of racehorses doing a mile, and newfangled autos going a little farther. There was wagering on them, and there were a lot more than one or two a year.
That's about what the Belmont Stakes has become, somewhat of a freak show.
The game has changed. The Belmont serves the twin purposes of either determining a TC winner, or acting as a demonstration of what most racehorses aren't. I'm not against a 12f race. Oddball things are kind of fun. Around 1910, there were races staged that featured two human runners going about 500 yds, a couple of racehorses doing a mile, and newfangled autos going a little farther. There was wagering on them, and there were a lot more than one or two a year.
That's about what the Belmont Stakes has become, somewhat of a freak show.
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Kentucky Derby was 1 1/2 miles for the 1st 21 years btw 1875 - 1895.
Preakness was all over in earlier years..btw 1 mile and 1 1/2 miles...it was 1 1/2 miles for the 1st 17 years btw 1873 - 1890
except 1880 and 1889.
Belmont S was 1 5/8 miles for the 1st 7 years btw 1867 - 1873.
Dirt tracks are supposed to be more unfriendly to horses (3yo) and the combined distance of the series in the earlier
years was clearly outrageous.
Preakness was all over in earlier years..btw 1 mile and 1 1/2 miles...it was 1 1/2 miles for the 1st 17 years btw 1873 - 1890
except 1880 and 1889.
Belmont S was 1 5/8 miles for the 1st 7 years btw 1867 - 1873.
Dirt tracks are supposed to be more unfriendly to horses (3yo) and the combined distance of the series in the earlier
years was clearly outrageous.
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I don't consider the Belmont a "freak show."
And other horses like, say, Seattle Slew, went on to win after that and win well. It does depend on the trainers and horses. If a horse is ruined after running that distance, it's something other than the race.
IMHO, the problem is these horses are the new-fangled long-distance (for a Quarter Horse, 1/1/4 miles and under) Quarter Horses that are passing for Thoroughbreds these days. Did you see the clip of Bob Baffert saying that the Thoroughbreds and running Quarter Horses now look alike?
IMHO, the new owners of Rachel Alexandra got a reality check in the Preakness as to her distance limitations. Wasn't that race as hard on her as the Belmont on Summer Bird? Yet no one is suggesting she won't come back after appropriate rest and training. What's the difference between a maxed out horse after 1-3/16 miles and 1-1/2?
Maybe they could space out the races by adding another week between them. But I'd rather see MORE races over 1-1/4 miles rather than less.
Anyone get the impression that Secretariat couldn't have gone around again in his Belmont?
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Have been looking for the Baffert quote, might have been the ABC show. I thought it was an honest admission about the TB of today. Will continue search as time permits.
And other horses like, say, Seattle Slew, went on to win after that and win well. It does depend on the trainers and horses. If a horse is ruined after running that distance, it's something other than the race.
IMHO, the problem is these horses are the new-fangled long-distance (for a Quarter Horse, 1/1/4 miles and under) Quarter Horses that are passing for Thoroughbreds these days. Did you see the clip of Bob Baffert saying that the Thoroughbreds and running Quarter Horses now look alike?
IMHO, the new owners of Rachel Alexandra got a reality check in the Preakness as to her distance limitations. Wasn't that race as hard on her as the Belmont on Summer Bird? Yet no one is suggesting she won't come back after appropriate rest and training. What's the difference between a maxed out horse after 1-3/16 miles and 1-1/2?
Maybe they could space out the races by adding another week between them. But I'd rather see MORE races over 1-1/4 miles rather than less.
Anyone get the impression that Secretariat couldn't have gone around again in his Belmont?
On edit:
Have been looking for the Baffert quote, might have been the ABC show. I thought it was an honest admission about the TB of today. Will continue search as time permits.
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It is logical to get a series which fits all circumstances best...in fact ONE CAN ALWAYS draft an idea for this TC so that not
any horse can make it at the end, no matter how good they are. But what is the point ? it wouldn't help tb racing afterall.
any horse can make it at the end, no matter how good they are. But what is the point ? it wouldn't help tb racing afterall.
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i posted it on another forum, i'll post it here becuase i think it is revelant
the hands on, I don't have more horses that I can't possibly look after trainer, might be making a comeback.
Not saying guys like pletch and the such aren't good trainers, but I would rather take a shot on a guy who seems to know his stuff and does good with a 10-12 horse barn than one that has 200 horses around the country.
I think MIne that bird is a perfect example in the sense that if mine that bird been in pletchers barn, instead of being entered in the kentucky derby, he's in a allowence optional claimer for an 80k tag after that sunland derby effort, without a second thought. he didn't make it through the grinder. it takes a hands on guy to do what they did with him. Not even saying he's th best horseman on earth, but I think having the day to day attention of your trainer, not just when you finally think you got a runner, but for his entire career, makes a hell of a difference.
Not only that.... I dont' think it's a considence that all three classic winners this year are remarkably sound horses.
the hands on, I don't have more horses that I can't possibly look after trainer, might be making a comeback.
Not saying guys like pletch and the such aren't good trainers, but I would rather take a shot on a guy who seems to know his stuff and does good with a 10-12 horse barn than one that has 200 horses around the country.
I think MIne that bird is a perfect example in the sense that if mine that bird been in pletchers barn, instead of being entered in the kentucky derby, he's in a allowence optional claimer for an 80k tag after that sunland derby effort, without a second thought. he didn't make it through the grinder. it takes a hands on guy to do what they did with him. Not even saying he's th best horseman on earth, but I think having the day to day attention of your trainer, not just when you finally think you got a runner, but for his entire career, makes a hell of a difference.
Not only that.... I dont' think it's a considence that all three classic winners this year are remarkably sound horses.
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