Who the heck is the guy in AB that is winning at 57%? HE's claiming and double and triple jumping horses up. Horseman or chemist?
52 starts, 26 wins, 8 seconds, 8 places. according to Equibase. Not up to date, I believe.
57% win percentage??
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57% win percentage??
Proverbs 31:8
"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."
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"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8
My first reaction was to write, "Put him in a detention barn and he'll be back to 10%," but heck, why be so cynical? I've really noticed in NorCal lately how different the horses look now that steroids are banned, so maybe horsemanship is back. Let's hope so...but I'm not counting on it.
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30% is good!!!
Proverbs 31:8
"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8
"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8
In this business you always have to wonder what angle some one is using when they are putting up numbers like that. I would not discount the possibility that he is using a drug that no one else has and doesn't show up in the screening.
Having said that I have paid attention to his horses and the most common factor I have seen is that he is running his horses where they can win. He doesn't run them where they don't belong.
His stats are skewed to the high side as are all the stats for trainers who went south for the winter by the fact that early in the season they had dead fit horses for a tiring track while the locally based trainers were still trying to get their horses fit enough. Jim Meyard ran his horses at Fonner Park through the spring then shipped to Northlands Park for the start of the meet. Many of his horses he was running condtioned allowance at FP, he brought to NP and ran 5k or 7.5k claiming and racked up alot of wins with fit horses. He also tends not to jump his horses up in class just because they win: he runs them right back at the same level for another win and keeps doing it until someone finally claims the horse off him which helps with his stats.
There are a few horses that he has claimed and moved up. If you look at the past performances of those horses he is really just bringing them back to the level where they used to be very competitive. He is not taking confirmed bottom claimers and jumping them up a couple of levels, he's claiming 20k claimers when they drop to 10k after some poor races and then taking them back to 20k. For every horse that he's done this with their is another one that he has to leave at 10k or drop to bottoms to win: like I said he runs them where they can win. People notice the horses he moves up, they don't notice the failures. Because I notice the failures as well as the successes I am inclined to believe his success is more likely due to good horsemanship not drugs (although I wouldn't be shocked if he got caught with something). He is also benefitting from the very low quality of the local trainers (IMO), there are very few horsemen training at NP which creates opportunities for a someone with real skills to step in and look very good.
Having said that I have paid attention to his horses and the most common factor I have seen is that he is running his horses where they can win. He doesn't run them where they don't belong.
His stats are skewed to the high side as are all the stats for trainers who went south for the winter by the fact that early in the season they had dead fit horses for a tiring track while the locally based trainers were still trying to get their horses fit enough. Jim Meyard ran his horses at Fonner Park through the spring then shipped to Northlands Park for the start of the meet. Many of his horses he was running condtioned allowance at FP, he brought to NP and ran 5k or 7.5k claiming and racked up alot of wins with fit horses. He also tends not to jump his horses up in class just because they win: he runs them right back at the same level for another win and keeps doing it until someone finally claims the horse off him which helps with his stats.
There are a few horses that he has claimed and moved up. If you look at the past performances of those horses he is really just bringing them back to the level where they used to be very competitive. He is not taking confirmed bottom claimers and jumping them up a couple of levels, he's claiming 20k claimers when they drop to 10k after some poor races and then taking them back to 20k. For every horse that he's done this with their is another one that he has to leave at 10k or drop to bottoms to win: like I said he runs them where they can win. People notice the horses he moves up, they don't notice the failures. Because I notice the failures as well as the successes I am inclined to believe his success is more likely due to good horsemanship not drugs (although I wouldn't be shocked if he got caught with something). He is also benefitting from the very low quality of the local trainers (IMO), there are very few horsemen training at NP which creates opportunities for a someone with real skills to step in and look very good.
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I think it's interesting because the people most associate with as the super trainers also tend to be the ones who have an interesting medication history and even the best of the super trainers win at a fraction of this 57%.
I personally find it interesting on many levels.
I personally find it interesting on many levels.
Proverbs 31:8
"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8
"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8
Look at the year Terry Jordan is having at Woodbine, pretty amazing, makes my 20% look pretty weak.
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ireneinwa wrote:Why is it that when someone in racing is doing well people always bring up illegal drug use.
Why can't you just enjoy the sport and congrats to the guy.
well . . .maybe with a 35% win record . . . but 57% is just way too suspicious.
IMHO of course.
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