Goldikova, Breeders Cup Classic or Mile?

Carlo Algatrensig · Postby **Carlo Algatrensig** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:27 pm

Having gone past Miesques record of Group/Grade1 wins after winning the Prix de la Foret at the weekend.

She has won at the highest level from 7 to 9 Furlongs on the turf in Europe and the USA. Does anyone else think that maybe she should try the Classic at the Breeders Cup this year as she has nothing left to prove on the turf and the only thing that could enhance her reputation now is a win on the dirt?

wangkw · Postby **wangkw** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:58 pm

She is capable certainement... :lol:

..won before 1850 and 2100..Can we say she is a grass specialist, by training ?

Dirt and left-handed-ness ...double whammy ? It always reminds me of Giant's Causeway and Sakhee..all beaten
by a whisker (of course by a big and strong being).

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:03 pm

Stick to the Mile.

This mare has absolutely nothing to gain by running on dirt or by running past her best distance. The chances that she will run her best on dirt are very low, the chances that she will make money on dirt are very low, and the chances that she will make money on dirt are much higher.

Carlo Algatrensig · Postby **Carlo Algatrensig** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:12 pm

kimberley mine wrote:Stick to the Mile.

This mare has absolutely nothing to gain by running on dirt or by running past her best distance. The chances that she will run her best on dirt are very low, the chances that she will make money on dirt are very low, and the chances that she will make money on dirt are much higher.

My point was made more from a sporting point of view. She has nothing left to prove at 7 to 9 Furlongs on turf. The last time a euro horse did any good in the classic it was our 2 best turf milers in Ravens Pass and Henrythenavigator and if she wins it will only enhance her reputation and if she loses it can easily be written off as being on the wrong surface with no real damage to her reputation as the best ever mare at 7 to 9 furlongs on turf.

wangkw · Postby **wangkw** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:19 pm

May be Goldikova should enter INTO the Ladies...instead of locking horns with Z.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:59 pm

honestly.. if she was in the classic.. i'd take her. I have always thought a euro miler was an american 10F horse so i'm no worried abo ut the distance. she either does or does not take to dirt, but her cruising speed makes her a perfect running style for American dirt races.

i've made (much) worse wagers.

has a forien filly/mare ever ran in the classic?

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:30 am

The Mile.

TJ · Postby TJ » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:03 am

After all this time they know what they have and they will do what's right for their champion and run her in the Breeder's Cup Mile. That in itself would be a milestone, since no horse has ever won that race 3 times. TJ

ElPrado · Postby **ElPrado** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:31 am

How did I know someone would start a thread for this?

Joltman · Postby **Joltman** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:33 am

I wonder if she has ever trained on all weather or dirt.

I like her on anything and while she might be a hair short at a mile and a half on the dirt, it would be a fascinating addition to the race.

I seem to recall a horse by the name of Cigar getting better going turf to dirt.

jm

Dave C · Postby **Dave C** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:09 am

I'd love to see her in the Classic with Zenyatta. I've never thought she had distance limitation. Just because she is dominant from 7f to 9f doesn't mean she can't go further. People were saying the samething about Z until she won the Classic.

Aug27 · Postby **Aug27** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:49 am

French-based filly Jolypha ran 3rd in A.P. Indy's Classic, but I'd run Goldikova in the Mile: winning 3 times would be a monumental achievement, IMO.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:40 pm

hi DaveC

Dave C wrote: I'd love to see (Goldikova) in the Classic with Zenyatta.

Two great thoroughbreds for the ages. At a mile and a quarter though, I'd give Zenyatta quite the edge

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Dave C wrote:I've never thought (Goldikova) had distance limitation. Just because she is dominant from 7f to 9f doesn't mean she can't go further.

Fair comment.

Dave C wrote:People were saying the samething about Z until she won the Classic.

Maybe some were...but not before or after Z won going the mile and a quarter distance, have I ever heard (not even the faintest whisper) anyone voice doubt re Zenyatta's ability to handle the distance...never.

For what it's worth...I have zero doubt that Z could easily handle a mile and a half :idea:

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Best to ya.

Respectfully

wangkw · Postby **wangkw** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:49 pm

Age is the concern...not distance(up to 10f)..In the ladies' secret..I think many fans had dumped her 3 yards before
the tape...anyway...why will there be any fun to risk her again in the men's ?...she already made it last year..if for
the top title then Ladies will suffice...I believe.

Aug27 · Postby **Aug27** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:04 am

If they really wanted to boost her legacy, what about trying Z in the Turf?
After all, she's already won both the Distaff and Classic.
Winning at 12f on the grass, against the top Europeans [on their surface] at a distance & surface she's never tried ... that would be quite an accomplishment, no?