Dialed In

[TJ]

Amazing performance today in the Holy Bull....he sprouted wings through the lane today after being very far back early. TJ

http://www1.drf.com/replays/savedreplays.jsp?RACE=1300

[justmares]

I agree....a very impressive performance. I was cheering on Sweet Ducky (I own a 1/2 sister) who I was sure was going to get it, when out from the clouds came Dialed In. I think Zito has the real thing.

[TJ]

I agree....a very impressive performance. I was cheering on Sweet Ducky (I own a 1/2 sister) who I was sure was going to get it, when out from the clouds came Dialed In. I think Zito has the real thing.

Hi J,
I liked Sweet Ducky in there, I didn't think he liked that track he ran at last time. He was bet better than the winner in that race too. Sweet Ducky tried hard, good luck with his 1/2 sis.
Dialed In stepped up his game, improved his beyer by about 20 points to a 96. He's run two visually impressive races and came out of the gate much better than last time, but he still wants to get in through the lane....yet it doesn't slow him down any. He trains at Palm Meadows and that is a big plus for derby horses....but so does Uncle Mo, your Sweet Ducky and Soldat and Pletcher's other contender's. Let's not forget To Honor and Serve training at Payson here in Florida. Feb. 26th and the GRII Fountain of Youth Stakes can't come fast enough:>) One thing's for sure, it will be a great Derby this year....if they all make it to the starting gate. TJ

[bdw0617]

This hose, beat, absolutely, no one.

If you think uncle mo, boys of tusconova or even a horse like the factor is going to run 23 and 4, 46 and 1, 1:10 and change and catch a cab in the stretch, not happening. he is not going to get that far behind uncle mo, let uncle mo run 23 and 4 and think about actually catching him.

he blew by a group of allowance horses, if that honestly like a good horse should but i'm not impressed as far as a legit derby threat.


Sweet Ducky is a pretty decent horse but, that performance, just isn't going to cut it at the top level


My biggest concern is how far back he was and the pace, was not all that fast. Derby is going to be faster. What's going to happen when the field is spred out and the (good) front runner is going 22-45-1:10, and not stopping? he's goig to have to run closer to the lead and it's going to take away that kick. that kick he produced, was under the most optimal of circumstances, slow front runners who couldn't' keep running slow


I mean i don't hate the horse or anything but, I don't think he performance was anything to write home about and was more of a visualt mirage than anything.

[TJ]

This hose, beat, absolutely, no one.

If you think uncle mo, boys of tusconova or even a horse like the factor is going to run 23 and 4, 46 and 1, 1:10 and change and catch a cab in the stretch, not happening. he is not going to get that far behind uncle mo, let uncle mo run 23 and 4 and think about actually catching him.

he blew by a group of allowance horses, if that honestly like a good horse should but i'm not impressed as far as a legit derby threat.


Sweet Ducky is a pretty decent horse but, that performance, just isn't going to cut it at the top level


My biggest concern is how far back he was and the pace, was not all that fast. Derby is going to be faster. What's going to happen when the field is spred out and the (good) front runner is going 22-45-1:10, and not stopping? he's goig to have to run closer to the lead and it's going to take away that kick. that kick he produced, was under the most optimal of circumstances, slow front runners who couldn't' keep running slow


I mean i don't hate the horse or anything but, I don't think he performance was anything to write home about and was more of a visualt mirage than anything.

Hi bdw,
Take note, I also said his races were visually impressive.....yet to win a GRIII in his second start and add twenty points to his beyer, that's pretty good....what happens with additional improvement? There's something else that you should know as a handicapper, since you thought the fractional speed of the race was slow....the 1st 1/4 in mile races at GP are slow, if you shade 24 you're running going a mile, shade 23 and it's suicide!....it's due to the way they have the tellitimer set up.....watch the mile races (and only the mile races, all other's are set correctly) and you will see what I'm talking about. Haven't you noticed the discrepency with the speed of the 2nd 1/4's going a mile.....if you take a closer look they went from 23.4 to 46.1.....that's a 22.2 2nd 1/4.....Dialed In had to run 21 or faster after he was 15 out at the start. The official chart has him running 21.3 his 2nd 1/4.....but it looked like he was much further back than the chart says. Dialed In ran a 45 flat 1/2 mile to put himself in contention from the 3/4 pole to the 1/4 pole, then finished his final 1/4 in 24 seconds, that's a final 3/4's in 1:09. This horse can run and he still isn't sure what he's doing out there....you won't see too many 3YO's run a faster mile than he ran at GP. TJ

[da hossman]

You can always count on the early Derby Prep races to bring out the doom & gloom bashers - "worst 3 year old crop since.." - "beat a bunch of nobodies.." etc. Blah Blah Blah.

Appreciate the race for what it was - a brilliant performance in the 2nd lifetime start - regardless of early (flawed) fractions. TJ pointed out very clearly what people noticed some time ago regarding the "official" 1st quarter fractions at GP - the teletimer is wrong.

As far as the field being a "group of allowance horses", that is not what the PP's say, and guess what? The PP's are objective facts, not opinions.

It is fun to make predictions, find favorites, root for horses and trainers, etc. These things can be done without putting down everything that does not go one's way. I'm not crazy about Zito as a person or a trainer, but I respect the hell out of the way he can get a horse ready for the Derby. You can never count him out.

Just so I can be fair game for everybody, I'll give you my early favorite for the Derby, To Honor And Serve. Pedigree and close relations I am involved with are two reasons beyond his PP's for my choice. I also am not sure that a son of Indian Charlie can go 1 1/4 miles in May of his 3yo year...

The best of racing luck to everybody!

[TJ]

You can always count on the early Derby Prep races to bring out the doom & gloom bashers - "worst 3 year old crop since.." - "beat a bunch of nobodies.." etc. Blah Blah Blah.

Appreciate the race for what it was - a brilliant performance in the 2nd lifetime start - regardless of early (flawed) fractions. TJ pointed out very clearly what people noticed some time ago regarding the "official" 1st quarter fractions at GP - the teletimer is wrong.

As far as the field being a "group of allowance horses", that is not what the PP's say, and guess what? The PP's are objective facts, not opinions.

It is fun to make predictions, find favorites, root for horses and trainers, etc. These things can be done without putting down everything that does not go one's way. I'm not crazy about Zito as a person or a trainer, but I respect the hell out of the way he can get a horse ready for the Derby. You can never count him out.

Just so I can be fair game for everybody, I'll give you my early favorite for the Derby, To Honor And Serve. Pedigree and close relations I am involved with are two reasons beyond his PP's for my choice. I also am not sure that a son of Indian Charlie can go 1 1/4 miles in May of his 3yo year...

The best of racing luck to everybody!

Hi Da hossman,
It's not so much the teletimer posts the wrong time (the time is correct), it's just when going the mile distance at GP, they don't have enough room to back up the starting gate to allow for the same run up distance as in other races. So there is very little run up room before the clock is triggered to start the timer. Many are under the wrong impression that the clock starts when they spring the gate, it doesn't.....in most all races, (other than the mile at GP) the horses have a running start to the pole which begins the official timing of the race, making for faster 1st 1/4 times. TJ

[da hossman]

Excellent point TJ - I oversimplified...I remember seeing somewhere that DRF or someone was going to start putting "run-up" distances in PP's - do you remember this? It seems as though run-up is usually around 20' but I know it varies.

[TJ]

Excellent point TJ - I oversimplified...I remember seeing somewhere that DRF or someone was going to start putting "run-up" distances in PP's - do you remember this? It seems as though run-up is usually around 20' but I know it varies.

Hi Da hossman,
DRF never bothered with the run up distances, Trackmaster began putting it in their PP's 2 season's back...but I don't know if they are still doing it. The run up distance (when they were posting them) going a mile at GP was about 5 feet, so you can see why that 1st 1/4 is so slow. TJ

[bdw0617]

You can always count on the early Derby Prep races to bring out the doom & gloom bashers - "worst 3 year old crop since.." - "beat a bunch of nobodies.." etc. Blah Blah Blah.

Appreciate the race for what it was - a brilliant performance in the 2nd lifetime start - regardless of early (flawed) fractions. TJ pointed out very clearly what people noticed some time ago regarding the "official" 1st quarter fractions at GP - the teletimer is wrong.

As far as the field being a "group of allowance horses", that is not what the PP's say, and guess what? The PP's are objective facts, not opinions.

It is fun to make predictions, find favorites, root for horses and trainers, etc. These things can be done without putting down everything that does not go one's way. I'm not crazy about Zito as a person or a trainer, but I respect the hell out of the way he can get a horse ready for the Derby. You can never count him out.

Just so I can be fair game for everybody, I'll give you my early favorite for the Derby, To Honor And Serve. Pedigree and close relations I am involved with are two reasons beyond his PP's for my choice. I also am not sure that a son of Indian Charlie can go 1 1/4 miles in May of his 3yo year...

The best of racing luck to everybody!

but it wasn't brilliant. it's the same song and dance every year. everyone is derby hungry, and everyone is ready to jump on the first thing with a pulse. last year it was winslow homer, the year before that it was dunkirk. it wasn't BAD at all. he has talent, i just don't think he's a legit derby threat. There are more talented horses out there. There are a cople of maidens winners @ santa anita i would take in a heartbeat over dialed in however. heck there is one maiden i would take over him. Santa Anita is deep this year.

sweet ducky is the horse who could nto crack the board in the delta jackpot, the winner of that race goes to the Cashcall out west, and gets thumped, but Dailed beats him by 2 and he's the 2nd best 3YO in the country lol. dailed in is just going to have to beat me.

[da hossman]

Interesting thing about the Cashcall Futurity - none of the horses base in the north did well - kinda makes one think that temperature/humidity could have been a factor...

[da hossman]

woops - I meant to say "Delta Jackpot" rather than Cashcall-

INteresting that none of the northern based horses did well in the Delta Jackpot - makes one think weather/temp/humidity may have had an influence...

[justmares]

Da...my thought exactly. The FL horses were 1, 2....the 3 horse from CA. The shippers from the north didn't do well....Blue Laser! I have an interest in Ducky (I own his older 1/2 sister.....actually I claimed her out in CA based on Ducky's performances at Monmouth, which became pretty competitive last year...not the "old" Monmouth). Also, Delta is a bull ring of a track. Long sweeping strides are penalized there.
I thought Dialed In ran a great race.

[bdw0617]

I think iot's becuase they sent in a bunch of 3rd tier horses. JP has distance issues, but he's legit, grade 1ish calibur horse. Same with comma to the top. They simply ran the other horses in the ground

[bdw0617]

This hose, beat, absolutely, no one.

If you think uncle mo, boys of tusconova or even a horse like the factor is going to run 23 and 4, 46 and 1, 1:10 and change and catch a cab in the stretch, not happening. he is not going to get that far behind uncle mo, let uncle mo run 23 and 4 and think about actually catching him.

he blew by a group of allowance horses, if that honestly like a good horse should but i'm not impressed as far as a legit derby threat.


Sweet Ducky is a pretty decent horse but, that performance, just isn't going to cut it at the top level


My biggest concern is how far back he was and the pace, was not all that fast. Derby is going to be faster. What's going to happen when the field is spred out and the (good) front runner is going 22-45-1:10, and not stopping? he's goig to have to run closer to the lead and it's going to take away that kick. that kick he produced, was under the most optimal of circumstances, slow front runners who couldn't' keep running slow


I mean i don't hate the horse or anything but, I don't think he performance was anything to write home about and was more of a visualt mirage than anything.