>>Stronach has sent a letter to Florida regulators requesting help with his plans to end race-day medication, specifically Salix (furosemide) which is often referred to as Lasix. In an interview with Daily Racing Form, Stronach said he hopes to put similar policies in place at his other tracks, including Santa Anita Park and Golden Gate Fields<<
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Stronach Wants To Faze Out Race Day Meds At His Tracks
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Stronach Wants To Faze Out Race Day Meds At His Tracks
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If there was a petition and signatures mattered I would be the first to sign in agreeance. I for one will not allow my horses to be medicated...period. Way to much crap goes in to them with out good reason. Oh people have reason, it is because Joe Blow big time trainer two shed rows down does it.
If I where a betten gal, I would bet half the horse people out there have no idea why they do something. And no one ever ask. They do it ONLY because the industry dictates it and there are way to may followers and not enough leaders.
This guy rocks and I applaud his effort to stop the industry take over. Horse people are so brain washed into believing this crap, and it is for the best...bunk. I have seen and can prove other wise.
If I where a betten gal, I would bet half the horse people out there have no idea why they do something. And no one ever ask. They do it ONLY because the industry dictates it and there are way to may followers and not enough leaders.
This guy rocks and I applaud his effort to stop the industry take over. Horse people are so brain washed into believing this crap, and it is for the best...bunk. I have seen and can prove other wise.
Of course they are against it.....they are the industry that has all horse people living in fear. They make their buck from this fear. It is a joke. If horse owners and trainers would only educated themselves a little more on these drugs and the horse itself they would not need the vets or the drugs.
As bad as everyone is making the recession, and all the breeders that are not breeding anymore....bottom line is the horse INDUSTRY, is just that, it is STILL an industry and there are billions of dollars going into horses each year and this BS crap that it is a falling industry is all hype from people like our local vets.
Food for thought......Over 9 MILLION horses in the United States.....40 cases of Equine Herpes and the vets have everyone in a panic...please. It is so made up and everyone buys into it.
The drug use NEEDS to stop because it is not needed and to many race horse owners bow out because they cannot pay the vet bill. Enough already.
As bad as everyone is making the recession, and all the breeders that are not breeding anymore....bottom line is the horse INDUSTRY, is just that, it is STILL an industry and there are billions of dollars going into horses each year and this BS crap that it is a falling industry is all hype from people like our local vets.
Food for thought......Over 9 MILLION horses in the United States.....40 cases of Equine Herpes and the vets have everyone in a panic...please. It is so made up and everyone buys into it.
The drug use NEEDS to stop because it is not needed and to many race horse owners bow out because they cannot pay the vet bill. Enough already.
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to put that in perspective, there is 1 horse for every 33 people in the united states, yet no one uses horses as a means of transportation anymoreoleos93 wrote:Of course they are against it.....they are the industry that has all horse people living in fear. They make their buck from this fear. It is a joke. If horse owners and trainers would only educated themselves a little more on these drugs and the horse itself they would not need the vets or the drugs.
As bad as everyone is making the recession, and all the breeders that are not breeding anymore....bottom line is the horse INDUSTRY, is just that, it is STILL an industry and there are billions of dollars going into horses each year and this BS crap that it is a falling industry is all hype from people like our local vets.
Food for thought......Over 9 MILLION horses in the United States.....40 cases of Equine Herpes and the vets have everyone in a panic...please. It is so made up and everyone buys into it.
The drug use NEEDS to stop because it is not needed and to many race horse owners bow out because they cannot pay the vet bill. Enough already.
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Food for Thought.. it only takes one idiot who doesnt vaccinate for strangles to give it to a whole barn.
If people would educate themselves BEFORE they got into the business they wouldn't complain so much about vet bills.
My boss at the track always said if you dont like it take your horse and go I dont have time to debate with the owner about my judgement calls. Which makes sense on a level that he is an employed professional by the owners. Paying your bills doesn't make you educated enough to run a stable. It makes you smart enough to sign a check. If you have a question well ASK but don't demand your trainer give your horse absolutely nothing.
A horse will need a supplement or therapy for a reason, but just ask first and go right to the vet for explanation if the trainer cant do it.
If people would educate themselves BEFORE they got into the business they wouldn't complain so much about vet bills.
My boss at the track always said if you dont like it take your horse and go I dont have time to debate with the owner about my judgement calls. Which makes sense on a level that he is an employed professional by the owners. Paying your bills doesn't make you educated enough to run a stable. It makes you smart enough to sign a check. If you have a question well ASK but don't demand your trainer give your horse absolutely nothing.
A horse will need a supplement or therapy for a reason, but just ask first and go right to the vet for explanation if the trainer cant do it.
To many owners just want the glory and not the learning or knowledge that comes with owning a horse. At least in horse racing.
You hit it right on the head with your boss is an "employee" of the horse owner. If he will not do as the horse owner request and thinks he knows best then the owner needs to find someone that will.
Many years ago I had an animal that was in need of emergency vet care and because of distance and the emergency I took to a local vet and not my regular. Long story short it ended up in death because the local vet tried to tell me I was wrong in the matter. When I consulter my regular vet the next day he said and I quote " WAY to many veterinarians think they know it all, and if even half of them listen to the animal owner we would not see so many issues like this. No one knows that animal better then the owner"
This same regular vet did listen to me on another occasions when my dog was very injured. He could not figure out what was wrong did a belly tap....found nothing....I said try it again I know you will find something....he did and her stomach was full of blood, saved her life. Most vets try once and give up and if an owner steps in they take offence.
But this is way off topic really. I can go on all day about pompous vets that think they know everything. Not all, I have had some great ones. They are out there. Just most learn from a book and not life and most have never owned an animal let alone treat one. Especially horses. Where do you think the books came from.....the ones that wrote them learned it from life.
Trainers need to get use to the idea that we, the US, will follow suit one day in the use of drugs in this industry. It's a fact.
You hit it right on the head with your boss is an "employee" of the horse owner. If he will not do as the horse owner request and thinks he knows best then the owner needs to find someone that will.
Many years ago I had an animal that was in need of emergency vet care and because of distance and the emergency I took to a local vet and not my regular. Long story short it ended up in death because the local vet tried to tell me I was wrong in the matter. When I consulter my regular vet the next day he said and I quote " WAY to many veterinarians think they know it all, and if even half of them listen to the animal owner we would not see so many issues like this. No one knows that animal better then the owner"
This same regular vet did listen to me on another occasions when my dog was very injured. He could not figure out what was wrong did a belly tap....found nothing....I said try it again I know you will find something....he did and her stomach was full of blood, saved her life. Most vets try once and give up and if an owner steps in they take offence.
But this is way off topic really. I can go on all day about pompous vets that think they know everything. Not all, I have had some great ones. They are out there. Just most learn from a book and not life and most have never owned an animal let alone treat one. Especially horses. Where do you think the books came from.....the ones that wrote them learned it from life.
Trainers need to get use to the idea that we, the US, will follow suit one day in the use of drugs in this industry. It's a fact.
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Crystal wrote:Food for Thought.. it only takes one idiot who doesnt vaccinate for strangles to give it to a whole barn.
If people would educate themselves BEFORE they got into the business they wouldn't complain so much about vet bills.
My boss at the track always said if you dont like it take your horse and go I dont have time to debate with the owner about my judgement calls. Which makes sense on a level that he is an employed professional by the owners. Paying your bills doesn't make you educated enough to run a stable. It makes you smart enough to sign a check. If you have a question well ASK but don't demand your trainer give your horse absolutely nothing.
A horse will need a supplement or therapy for a reason, but just ask first and go right to the vet for explanation if the trainer cant do it.
unable to print "lol" without getting an icon, so--nice job!
BenB you are correct.
Oleos you missed the point. An owner may have imput bout where a horse is placed in races.. i.e. he may have an idea of where he/she would like to see a horse compete at, but at the end of the day it is the trainers decision.
Honestly at the end of the day I would rather have 10 clients who are interested to learn more by keeping me on the phone for an hour a piece each day rather than 1 client who calls me each day to question my decisions as trainer. Good, bad or indifferent if he/she thinks they know more, go get a license and put your money where your mouth is.
I'm not saying this to personally offend anyone..but a professional is given a license at the track because they have demonstrated they have a knowledge of training and horsemanship, not because they know the horses personally better then the guy next door. (to a point)
Mr Stronach is taking the bull by the horns and setting an excellent example for other track owners. Well done sir.
Oleos you missed the point. An owner may have imput bout where a horse is placed in races.. i.e. he may have an idea of where he/she would like to see a horse compete at, but at the end of the day it is the trainers decision.
Honestly at the end of the day I would rather have 10 clients who are interested to learn more by keeping me on the phone for an hour a piece each day rather than 1 client who calls me each day to question my decisions as trainer. Good, bad or indifferent if he/she thinks they know more, go get a license and put your money where your mouth is.
I'm not saying this to personally offend anyone..but a professional is given a license at the track because they have demonstrated they have a knowledge of training and horsemanship, not because they know the horses personally better then the guy next door. (to a point)
Mr Stronach is taking the bull by the horns and setting an excellent example for other track owners. Well done sir.
Crystal.....no I got your point I just do not agree. No big deal. I understand your view and I agree if the owner is not knowledgeable the trainer needs to take the lead, but one shuld not be so full of themselves to think all owners are idiots and can not have an input.
For example I have been in the horse business for over 35 years, one day I hope to get my license but I live in an area that I can not at this time. I have my input and I will not allow my horses to be run on any drug, period. I have a trainer that respects that and for that I respect him a great deal that even though he has other clients that do not mind race day drugs, he respects my decision to not allow it. We also have a difference of opinion on many things, but we still have one goal and work together. We do not always agree. When it comes to "track stuff" he knows more then I do, when it comes to horses we are on the same playing field and he has his way and I have mine. We are still learning to meet in the middle.
There are alot of trainers with a great deal of arrogance.
For example I have been in the horse business for over 35 years, one day I hope to get my license but I live in an area that I can not at this time. I have my input and I will not allow my horses to be run on any drug, period. I have a trainer that respects that and for that I respect him a great deal that even though he has other clients that do not mind race day drugs, he respects my decision to not allow it. We also have a difference of opinion on many things, but we still have one goal and work together. We do not always agree. When it comes to "track stuff" he knows more then I do, when it comes to horses we are on the same playing field and he has his way and I have mine. We are still learning to meet in the middle.
There are alot of trainers with a great deal of arrogance.
A trainer has a tough job because he/she has to wear so many hats and be everything to so many different people. The owner does play a huge role on the team and this varies based on the owner's knowledge, experience and personality. Like everything else in life, "He who writes the check, calls the shots." The trainer must be diplomatic enough to get his opinion across without losing a client.
One thing is for certain, different owner/trainer combinations perform in vastly different ways. Some combos click consistently at 60-80% wins with the caviat that the sample size is relatively low. The only way to get this information is to keep it yourself because it is not provided.
I once used a 2% trainer that won at a 25% clip with our racing stable. One of the main reasons for this difference was that I injected common-sense that he lacked. My horses were always put in races where they were competitive. So when he'd call and say, "Let's try your horse a mile on the turf in a 1x allowance race." I'd respond, "There's an 8000NW2 next Friday going 3/4s on the dirt, let's put him in there."
Currently, our 6% trainer is clicking at 30% with our horses--So, yes, the owner does make a difference. I'm an owner/breeder though, so while I don't do the track training, still know one end of the horse from another. I usually have heavy input picking which race to run but leave the training regimen exclusively to the track trainer.
One thing is for certain, different owner/trainer combinations perform in vastly different ways. Some combos click consistently at 60-80% wins with the caviat that the sample size is relatively low. The only way to get this information is to keep it yourself because it is not provided.
I once used a 2% trainer that won at a 25% clip with our racing stable. One of the main reasons for this difference was that I injected common-sense that he lacked. My horses were always put in races where they were competitive. So when he'd call and say, "Let's try your horse a mile on the turf in a 1x allowance race." I'd respond, "There's an 8000NW2 next Friday going 3/4s on the dirt, let's put him in there."
Currently, our 6% trainer is clicking at 30% with our horses--So, yes, the owner does make a difference. I'm an owner/breeder though, so while I don't do the track training, still know one end of the horse from another. I usually have heavy input picking which race to run but leave the training regimen exclusively to the track trainer.
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Re: Stronach Wants To Faze Out Race Day Meds At His Tracks
[quote="zinn21"] Stronach Wants To Faze Out Race Day Meds At His Tracks [/quote]
He also seems to want to phase out racing at his tracks too.
He also seems to want to phase out racing at his tracks too.