CHRB Transcripts on Sudden Deaths: Time to Reopen Report

[Whirlaway]

Interesting reading . . . note the comments by the Chair and the Chair of the Medication and Track Safety Committee on page 179 lines 18 - 25 and page 180 lines 1 -3, suggesting that there is nothing from stopping the Board from revisiting this issue.

11/21/13 Transcripts: http://www.chrb.ca.gov/meeting_transcripts.html

Toxicology and Necropsy reports: http://www.chrb.ca.gov/sudden_deaths_reports.html

[ageecee]

dude give it a break its overkill

[Cree]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

[Sysonby]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

[TJ]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

[Whirlaway]

dude give it a break its overkill

The overkill was the death of the seven horses.

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

For horse racing fans, this is the most important issue of our time and the doping of race horses has everything to do with racing. I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

A meaningless opinion, with a few sour grapes. If it is what you say it is, prove it. All of my posts have been in compliance with forum rules, like it or not.

[Cree]

Seriously though, drugs will always be a part of a competition, especially where money is involved, ESPECIALLY when the victims don't have a voice (the horses). I also feel that you are wasting your energy here, unless there is someone on this forum that can change what is going on. Is there? Maybe you could write a book?

Overkill is an understatement, look at this list:

-Sudden Deaths: Baffert and Vets Violated Drug Rules?
-Arthur Hancock III - It's Time for Congress to Wake Up
-CHRB Transcripts on Sudden Deaths: Time to Reopen Report
-Stronach: Eliminate Race-Day Meds, Sport Will Flourish
-Trainer Gets 5 Year Suspension
-Dozens of Indictments Could Be Coming
-Illegal Tracks - Partiallly Fueled By Drug Money,Traffickers
-FBI Arrests Trainers for Illegal Doping; 25 yrs + 500k fine
-Questions Still Unanswered in Baffert Sudden Deaths
-Pretrial Hearings Set for Trainers for Illegal Doping
-Despite the Evidence, Trainers Deny a Doping Problem
-"The Time for a New Direction Has Arrived ..."
-Doped Horses on a Juiced Track - SA Gets New Superintendent!
-One Horse, One Week of Injections - 17 Syringes
-Doping The Horse - Owners, trainers, vets are the ones ...
-British Horseracing Authority Tightens Its Anti-Doping Rules
-Handicapping Dopers at the Race Track
-Trainers Aren't Helping As Drugs Damage Sport
-California Post-Mortem Program Has Major Flaw
-Jockey Falls, Injuries, and Fatalities . . .
-BC Samples Come Back Clean or A Clear Present Doping Agent

That's all you in one month.

[Sysonby]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

[TJ]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

[Whirlaway]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

I will reiterate my earlier post, as it appears it didn't get through.

For horse racing fans in America, the most important issue is the continuing effort to rid horse racing of performance enhancing drugs. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. I am pleased to voice my concerns regarding this issue and will continue to do so. Fine with me should I take a few jabs here and there from those on the other side who continue to believe performance enhancing drugs are good for the sport - that is part of the human discourse. There will always be someone on the other side that disagrees. With respect to what is "obscene" and what is a "barrage," it is my opinion that the deaths of seven horses was not only a barrage of deaths, but horribly obscene.

[TJ]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

I will reiterate my earlier post, as it appears it didn't get through.

For horse racing fans in America, the most important issue is the continuing effort to rid horse racing of performance enhancing drugs. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. I am pleased to voice my concerns regarding this issue and will continue to do so. Fine with me should I take a few jabs here and there from those on the other side who continue to believe performance enhancing drugs are good for the sport - that is part of the human discourse. There will always be someone on the other side that disagrees. With respect to what is "obscene" and what is a "barrage," it is my opinion that the deaths of seven horses was not only a barrage of deaths, but horribly obscene.

Ahh, once again the same rhetoric reiterated.....without acknowledging the reform effort currently underway in the racing industry. January 1, 2014 will be the start of many racing jurisdictions, who are currently signed on to abiding to the new racing rules, restrictions, reforms and penalties outlined by the RMTC. What is disturbing is that you are not aware of this. TJ

[Whirlaway]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

I will reiterate my earlier post, as it appears it didn't get through.

For horse racing fans in America, the most important issue is the continuing effort to rid horse racing of performance enhancing drugs. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. I am pleased to voice my concerns regarding this issue and will continue to do so. Fine with me should I take a few jabs here and there from those on the other side who continue to believe performance enhancing drugs are good for the sport - that is part of the human discourse. There will always be someone on the other side that disagrees. With respect to what is "obscene" and what is a "barrage," it is my opinion that the deaths of seven horses was not only a barrage of deaths, but horribly obscene.

Ahh, once again the same rhetoric reiterated.....without acknowledging the reform effort currently underway in the racing industry. January 1, 2014 will be the start of many racing jurisdictions, who are currently signed on to the new racing rules, restrictions, reforms and penalties outlined by the RMTC. What is disturbing is that you are not aware of this. TJ

Quite the contrary. I am, have read twice and I am continuing to read the new drug standards (if that what you want to call them). In addition, I have read almost everything about the RMTC and the RCI. I am preparing a post on this subject matter . . .

[TJ]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

I will reiterate my earlier post, as it appears it didn't get through.

For horse racing fans in America, the most important issue is the continuing effort to rid horse racing of performance enhancing drugs. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. I am pleased to voice my concerns regarding this issue and will continue to do so. Fine with me should I take a few jabs here and there from those on the other side who continue to believe performance enhancing drugs are good for the sport - that is part of the human discourse. There will always be someone on the other side that disagrees. With respect to what is "obscene" and what is a "barrage," it is my opinion that the deaths of seven horses was not only a barrage of deaths, but horribly obscene.

Ahh, once again the same rhetoric reiterated.....without acknowledging the reform effort currently underway in the racing industry. January 1, 2014 will be the start of many racing jurisdictions, who are currently signed on to the new racing rules, restrictions, reforms and penalties outlined by the RMTC. What is disturbing is that you are not aware of this. TJ

Quite the contrary. I am, have read twice and I am continuing to read the new drug standards (if that what you want to call them). In addition, I have read almost everything about the RMTC and the RCI. I am preparing a post on this subject matter . . .

You better get to work reading about the NTRA too....or you once again will be behind in the conversation of reform. TJ

[Whirlaway]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

I will reiterate my earlier post, as it appears it didn't get through.

For horse racing fans in America, the most important issue is the continuing effort to rid horse racing of performance enhancing drugs. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. I am pleased to voice my concerns regarding this issue and will continue to do so. Fine with me should I take a few jabs here and there from those on the other side who continue to believe performance enhancing drugs are good for the sport - that is part of the human discourse. There will always be someone on the other side that disagrees. With respect to what is "obscene" and what is a "barrage," it is my opinion that the deaths of seven horses was not only a barrage of deaths, but horribly obscene.

Ahh, once again the same rhetoric reiterated.....without acknowledging the reform effort currently underway in the racing industry. January 1, 2014 will be the start of many racing jurisdictions, who are currently signed on to the new racing rules, restrictions, reforms and penalties outlined by the RMTC. What is disturbing is that you are not aware of this. TJ

Quite the contrary. I am, have read twice and I am continuing to read the new drug standards (if that what you want to call them). In addition, I have read almost everything about the RMTC and the RCI. I am preparing a post on this subject matter . . .

You better get to work reading about the NTRA too....or you once again will be behind in the conversation. TJ

That's funny ol' timer! We both know, you're gonna lose this war . . . your position is untenable; can't hold your position in a time where people hate dopers and the doping of athletes. You'll lose, sooner or later you'll lose . .

[TJ]

No kidding. This entire forum has been flooded with this. I wish people would discuss the races.

This happens to every racing forum out there - which is why so many have closed down.

Hi Sy,
Yep, remember when this site was off line because of one poster who destroyed the forum. We lost some great and thought provoking posters after that incident. This forum would have been one of the best had it not been for that shut down. Although it has come back pretty well, though it took some time. TJ

Again that's what always happens with lightly moderated or unmoderated internet forums and not just in racing. I give you credit for fighting the good fight and trying to preserve honest debate but another truism is that attention is what some posters crave. The problem is self correcting when you don't take the bait (and believe me, I know how tough it is )

Hi Sy,
I prefer having a sensible discussion or debate as opposed to a good fight:>). Which hopefully will encourage my thoughtful contemplation of other peoples perspectives on the subject. This type of dialogue will many times create a new learning experience, or better comprehension to those participating in and/or reading the thread. I enjoy it because it keeps me sharp and attuned to racing, which has been good to me. But continued bashing of racing over the less then 1% of cheaters is obscene. Then again this is the internet and such criticism is to be expected. Yet the continued barrage of posts publicizing the less then 1% of cheaters, which Cree has posted, is a bit much. TJ

I will reiterate my earlier post, as it appears it didn't get through.

For horse racing fans in America, the most important issue is the continuing effort to rid horse racing of performance enhancing drugs. THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. I am pleased to voice my concerns regarding this issue and will continue to do so. Fine with me should I take a few jabs here and there from those on the other side who continue to believe performance enhancing drugs are good for the sport - that is part of the human discourse. There will always be someone on the other side that disagrees. With respect to what is "obscene" and what is a "barrage," it is my opinion that the deaths of seven horses was not only a barrage of deaths, but horribly obscene.

Ahh, once again the same rhetoric reiterated.....without acknowledging the reform effort currently underway in the racing industry. January 1, 2014 will be the start of many racing jurisdictions, who are currently signed on to the new racing rules, restrictions, reforms and penalties outlined by the RMTC. What is disturbing is that you are not aware of this. TJ

Quite the contrary. I am, have read twice and I am continuing to read the new drug standards (if that what you want to call them). In addition, I have read almost everything about the RMTC and the RCI. I am preparing a post on this subject matter . . .

You better get to work reading about the NTRA too....or you once again will be behind in the conversation. TJ

That's funny ol' timer! We both know, you're gonna lose this war . . . your position is untenable; can't hold your position in a time where people hate dopers and the doping of athletes. You'll lose, sooner or later you'll lose . .

You don't know me and yet you insinuate I am a doper. You are very sad, boring and tiresome. Maybe angry and jealous too? I guess that accusation is meant to get rid of me...sorry genius, ain't gonna happen. TJ