Despite posts to the contrary, the RMTC model rules have formally been adopted by 10 states which comprise more then 40% of the total pari-mutual handle in America. A dozen other states are in the process of adopting the new reforms while awaiting jurisdictional approval in those states. When this is completed more then 70% of the total pari-mutual handle in America will be under the new RMTC national reforms. The other 30% will get in line or be left behind. TJ
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... on-reforms
22 States Committed to National Racing Reform
Moderators: Roguelet, hpkingjr, WaveMaster
This part is of particulair interest:
The CHRB is expected to address the two other key RMTC and RCI reforms—multiple medication violations and restrictions on the administration of furosemide—later this year.
Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... z2ndKueDG2
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/re ... t%20VI.pdf
The CHRB is expected to address the two other key RMTC and RCI reforms—multiple medication violations and restrictions on the administration of furosemide—later this year.
Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... z2ndKueDG2
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/re ... t%20VI.pdf
BenB wrote:This part is of particulair interest:
The CHRB is expected to address the two other key RMTC and RCI reforms—multiple medication violations and restrictions on the administration of furosemide—later this year.
Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... z2ndKueDG2
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/re ... t%20VI.pdf
Ben,
I'll repeat 22 states signed on...more by January 1, 2013. This is a far cry from the way it was before. If you think any States can agree on anything overnight you are mistaken. It takes time to bring 2 states together....let alone 22 states agreeing to the same set of national racing reforms. Yet it is getting done. Each change has to be discussed, reviewed, legality checked etc. This is why the RMTC has a reform adoption timeline....not a deadline. They understand how long it takes to have these reforms legally instituted into into each States rules for racing. All 22 states signed on are moving forward to adopt the entire National Reform Rules set forth by the RMTC as soon as the red tape is addressed in each state. Each part of the national reform needs to be addressed individually and pass judicial approval. That is why the target date (Jan. 1st) is written not as a deadline, but as a reform adoption timeline. They are well aware of how hard it is to make all these changes in State government. TJ....RMTC rule:
Reform Adoption Timeline: Every jurisdiction in the United States that conducts pari-mutuel horse racing is urged to fully and uniformly adopt each of the Reforms without amendment or substantive modification by January 1, 2014, or as soon thereafter as practicable given any legal or procedural limits on adoption or implementation in individual jurisdictions.
TJ, Iam very fond of natural, medication free horseracing.
Over the last thirty yrs people and organizations have been trying to regulate horseracing in the US.
Each time after some serious accidents part reform was done and certainly not before. So Iam skeptical IF you do not mind.
The force behind the reforms, is just because some organizations does not like the thread of possible FED,s intervering and fear is a bad thing.
Over the last thirty yrs people and organizations have been trying to regulate horseracing in the US.
Each time after some serious accidents part reform was done and certainly not before. So Iam skeptical IF you do not mind.
The force behind the reforms, is just because some organizations does not like the thread of possible FED,s intervering and fear is a bad thing.
BenB wrote:TJ, Iam very fond of natural, medication free horseracing.
Over the last thirty yrs people and organizations have been trying to regulate horseracing in the US.
Each time after some serious accidents part reform was done and certainly not before. So Iam skeptical IF you do not mind.
The force behind the reforms, is just because some organizations does not like the thread of possible FED,s intervering and fear is a bad thing.
Ben,
You are entitled to your opinion and to use what you want on your horses. Yet there isn't a country in the world who does not use drugs on a horse. They use every drug everyday that is used in America. The hypocrites across the pond, just don't use it on race day. These horses are med free on race day...meanwhile these meds have served their purpose of easing the horses pain and physical ailments leading up to race day, so their training will go uninterrupted. There is major reform going on and instead of seeing it, you come up with a foolish statement as to why it is being done....sad commentary. TJ
Throwing road blocks will not help the case:
http://www.horseracingreform.org/Pdfs/O ... 3FINAL.pdf
TJ, did you ever been across the pond. Have you witnessed training overhere, did you saw the use of medications with your own eyes????
If that,s so writes it and give names from trainers etc. Making accusations without proof is not the way to go, I, ll assure you that.
http://www.horseracingreform.org/Pdfs/O ... 3FINAL.pdf
TJ, did you ever been across the pond. Have you witnessed training overhere, did you saw the use of medications with your own eyes????
If that,s so writes it and give names from trainers etc. Making accusations without proof is not the way to go, I, ll assure you that.
BenB wrote:...TJ, did you ever been across the pond. Have you witnessed training overhere, did you saw the use of medications with your own eyes????....
BenB I have this same question for you. Have you ever worked in an American race barn and observed, first hand, all of the often fabricated, media-blitzed doping "atrocities" you are so passionate about?
If you truly believe that racing everywhere around the world is SO superior to American racing, because we drug our horribly unsound horses, why are the world's horses not heading here in DROVES to clean our clocks?
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
madelyn wrote:How many states in total actually have racing? What percentage is the "22 states"? Just for perspective purposes, thanks.
Hi Madelyn,
I'm not certain, but I believe it is slightly more then 1/2 the states in the nation. Currently every major TB track is in the process of complying. These are the current 22 TB race tracks of which comprise 70% of the betting handle in America....Aqueduct, Arlington, Belmont, Calder Canterbury Park, Churchill Downs, Del Mar, Fair Grounds, Fairplex, Finger Lakes, Golden Gate Fields, Gulfstream Park, Hollywood Park, Keeneland, Kentucky Downs, Monmouth Park, Pimlico, Santa Anita, Saratoga, Suffolk Downs, Sunland Park, Turfway Park and our neighbor to the north, Woodbine.
Others signed on and in the process of adopting are Tampa Bay Downs, Delaware Park, Laurel, Lone Star Park, Remington, Charlestown, Penn National, Raceway Park, Beulah Park, Zia Park, Sam Houston.
The largest block not signed on is the USTA...trotters not the TB industry. The USTA refuses to adhere to the withdrawal times of clenbuterol and Corticosteroids. TJ
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Madelyn, thanks for your response.
Did you see, the smallest group of euro horses competing in BC races??
Iam sure that when the medication problem is solved, there might be more euro intervention. I never ever said or wrote that our racing( euro) is superior to US racing, only far different.
Legal medication is something entirely different than drug racing, but nevertheless not one of my horses has ever been racing or trained with the help from any kind of medication.
I will give this an rest, and will read the improvements made on this subject,
Did you see, the smallest group of euro horses competing in BC races??
Iam sure that when the medication problem is solved, there might be more euro intervention. I never ever said or wrote that our racing( euro) is superior to US racing, only far different.
Legal medication is something entirely different than drug racing, but nevertheless not one of my horses has ever been racing or trained with the help from any kind of medication.
I will give this an rest, and will read the improvements made on this subject,
BenB wrote:Madelyn, thanks for your response.
Did you see, the smallest group of euro horses competing in BC races??
Iam sure that when the medication problem is solved, there might be more euro intervention. I never ever said or wrote that our racing( euro) is superior to US racing, only far different.
Legal medication is something entirely different than drug racing, but nevertheless not one of my horses has ever been racing or trained with the help from any kind of medication.
Hi Ben,
That is a shame, because if you did, you would never have had the displeasure of seeing your horse bleed from her nostrils (Epistaxis). There is nothing more inhumane then allowing these bleeding episodes to repeatedly occur internally and go un-diagnosed and untreated to the point they bleed from their nostrils. TJ
BenB wrote:Throwing road blocks will not help the case:
http://www.horseracingreform.org/Pdfs/O ... 3FINAL.pdf
TJ, did you ever been across the pond. Have you witnessed training overhere, did you saw the use of medications with your own eyes????
If that,s so writes it and give names from trainers etc. Making accusations without proof is not the way to go, I, ll assure you that.
No road blocks and not making accusations....just the simple truth about their racing. Are Euro horses immune to pain and stiffness? I know enough people on both sides of the pond who know this is true. For your information, read this...there are a couple countries who say they are drug free, but trust me they are using something...this statement by Graham Motion should suffice...I see you didn't post to his interview?
Graham Motion said:
Q: Team Valor’s Barry Irwin has said he can’t convince you that you don’t need Lasix on raceday. Why is that?
A: My problem with doing away with Lasix is that we’re going to go back to how it was before in New York (the last state to permit the drug), where everybody is trying to use things under the table that nobody knows about. I honestly don’t believe that in some of these other countries people don’t use alternative medications to Lasix. It’s better the devil you know than the devil you don’t know. Most horses bleed to a degree. Lasix is one medication that we know helps horses that have this hemorrhaging. My feeling is let’s control the administration like they do in Canada. 5 cc’s are to be given by a state veterinarian. If we do away with Lasix, we’d better step up security big time. No one’s going to like that. You cannot tell me that people are not going to use other things.
Q: Are you suggesting the rest of the world should adopt our rules?
A: That’s a tough point. No, I’m not. In England, everyone gives Lasix up to the race, then they take it away. A lot of it comes to the horsemanship side. We are so much more proactive over here in scoping our horses. I want to be on top of our horses. When we consider a horse to bleed, it might just have a spot in his lungs. In many places bleeding is only identified if it’s external.
Here is an article about world racing rules, as I said and Graham Motion said...these drugs are used overseas. I agree there are a couple countries who are legitimate in their stand against drugs, especially Germany who I give the highest praise....read below, all other countries as you are skeptical of America....I am just as skeptical of the legitimacy of their claims. TJ
http://businessofracing.blogspot.com/20 ... -does.html
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Have to regret that you does not know the real situation.
http://www.ifhaonline.org/aboutDisplay.asp?section=5
USA is an member from this organization and should act upon the medication rules.
Team Valor and Motion split up.
Less than 5% from the trainers in GB are training on Lasix and in France less than 1,5%.
Washing out is the only way to make an good statement about them lungs.
Where Iam really disappointed about is that this happend after three months of rest after her first tiny little drop of blood in her nostrils and that I was not aware of the problems that could arise.
Without a doubt with my actual knowledge I would not ever invested in that particulair female line.
http://www.ifhaonline.org/aboutDisplay.asp?section=5
USA is an member from this organization and should act upon the medication rules.
Team Valor and Motion split up.
Less than 5% from the trainers in GB are training on Lasix and in France less than 1,5%.
Washing out is the only way to make an good statement about them lungs.
Where Iam really disappointed about is that this happend after three months of rest after her first tiny little drop of blood in her nostrils and that I was not aware of the problems that could arise.
Without a doubt with my actual knowledge I would not ever invested in that particulair female line.
BenB wrote:Have to regret that you does not know the real situation.
http://www.ifhaonline.org/aboutDisplay.asp?section=5
USA is an member from this organization and should act upon the medication rules.
Team Valor and Motion split up.
Less than 5% from the trainers in GB are training on Lasix and in France less than 1,5%.
Washing out is the only way to make an good statement about them lungs.
Where Iam really disappointed about is that this happend after three months of rest after her first tiny little drop of blood in her nostrils and that I was not aware of the problems that could arise.
Without a doubt with my actual knowledge I would not ever invested in that particulair female line.
Ben,
There were a number of things you could have done to prevent your horse from bleeding...other than lasix. I trained horses before lasix was permitted and never developed a bleeder that bled from their nostrils. A lack of understanding is what causes Epistaxis....so simple to prevent with or without the use of lasix. Are you now saying you noticed blood in her nostrils and stopped on her and gave her 3 months off?. That means you never scoped to see if she was a bleeder and trained her right along till you saw blood in her nostrils. A drop of blood in the nostrils is a high level of bleeding in America....it means the trachea is flooded with blood if it's seen coming out the nostrils. That horse had to breeze to make a comeback after a 3 month layoff....probably bleeding internally every time she breezed due to never checking what was going on internally....scaring her lungs and allowing her no chance to race well when choking on the blood in her trachea. Scoping is the pro-active procedure needed to be performed after every breeze and race to know what is going on internally in your horse. This should be done whether you use lasix in your country or not. Hopefully you will heed this advice for a better racing future for you and your horses. TJ
Concerning the IFHA, it is the Jockey Club and the Breeders Cup who are members. Two anti-lasix organizations. Funny one of these organizations (the BC) all ready dialed back on the lasix issue. TJ