What a great points race this season, with 30 points being the lowest total as compared to 20 in previous years. Unless we get injuries or defections for another reason, we have a solid group of 3YO's in the 141st running of the Kentucky Derby. Besides Baffert with 3 runners, Pletcher has 4 (Madefromlucky missed out after his 4th place finish in the Arkansas Derby, he's on the bubble). Zayat Stable owns 3, American Pharoah, El Kabeir and Mr. Z. Stonestreet Stable owns 2 in partnership, Stanford and Carpe Diem. Here's the current top twenty. TJ
2015 Kentucky Derby Points Standings
1 International Star Mike Maker 171 $940,979
2 Dortmund Bob Baffert 170 $1,230,000
3 Carpe Diem Todd Pletcher 164 $1,470,000
4 American Pharoah Bob Baffert 160 $1,410,000
5 Frosted Kiaran McLaughlin 113 $776,200
6 Mubtaahij-IRE Mike de Kock 100 $1,400,000
7 Materiality Todd Pletcher 100 $632,028
8 El Kabeir John Terranova II 95 $720,792
9 Upstart Rick Violette, Jr. 76 $807,680
10 Far Right Ron Moquette 62 $585,906
11 Itsaknockout Todd Pletcher 60 $288,560
12 Firing Line Simon Callaghan 58 $530,000
13 Danzig Moon Mark Casse 45 $217,500
14 War Story Tom Amoss 44 $195,000
15 Tencendur George Weaver 41 $224,500
One Lucky Dane Bob Baffert 40 $200,000.....OUT
16 Stanford Todd Pletcher 40 $151,400
17 Mr. Z D. Wayne Lukas 34 $625,826
18 Ocho Ocho Ocho Jim Cassidy 30 $760,250
19 Bolo Carla Gaines 30 $214,980
Madefromlucky Todd Pletcher 30 $200,000.....OUT
20 Keen Ice Dale Romans 22 $136,520
The Bubble:
Frammento Nick Zito 20 $92,800
24 Bold Conquest Steve Asmussen 17 $192,176
25 The Truth or Else Kenny McPeek 11 $180,167
26 Metaboss Jeff Bonde 10 $136,450
27 Firespike Mike Maker 10 $51,816
28 Toasting Master Dale Romans 5 $31,000
29 Task Force Glory Mike Maker 5 $29,625
30 Cross the Line Jerry Hollendorfer 4 $120,000
31 Another Lemon Drop Phil Bauer 1 $25,500
Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
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Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
Last edited by TJ on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:40 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
One Lucky Dane is out of the Derby....Cree just posted the scoop in the handicapping section:-) I will edit this list as changes are made to the Derby field. Madefromlucky now draws into the Derby field. TJ
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
At first it sounded like One Lucky Dane had lost a shoe, and the ambulance was a precaution, but when he was cooling out they said he was noticeably uncomfortable. Hopefully it's something minor.
http://live.drf.com/nuggets/13410
http://live.drf.com/nuggets/13410
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One Lucky Dane and Madefromlucky are both sons of Lookin At Lucky. Coincidence, I am sure. I think that One Lucky Dane had a better shot than Madefromlucky for the big race, but that's that.
It sounds like it was the start of a condylar fracture. It is strange that all 3 of Baffert's top sophomore colts have lost a shoe (Dortmund in a race, American Pharoah in a race). What is going on with the shoeing at Baffert's barn? Is this normal?
Would losing a shoe have led to One Lucky Dane's injury?
It sounds like it was the start of a condylar fracture. It is strange that all 3 of Baffert's top sophomore colts have lost a shoe (Dortmund in a race, American Pharoah in a race). What is going on with the shoeing at Baffert's barn? Is this normal?
Would losing a shoe have led to One Lucky Dane's injury?
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Cree wrote:One Lucky Dane and Madefromlucky are both sons of Lookin At Lucky. Coincidence, I am sure. I think that One Lucky Dane had a better shot than Madefromlucky for the big race, but that's that.
It sounds like it was the start of a condylar fracture. It is strange that all 3 of Baffert's top sophomore colts have lost a shoe (Dortmund in a race, American Pharoah in a race). What is going on with the shoeing at Baffert's barn? Is this normal?
Would losing a shoe have led to One Lucky Dane's injury?
Hi Cree,
I was wondering the same thing. Though it isn't unusual for horses to lose a shoe during the running of a race (especially if the track is off), it would be nice to know if there is something else going on. Remember American Pharoah had issues with his feet as a 2YO, when he missed the BC Juvenile because of a deep foot bruise. Dortmund had a good reason to blow his shoe because he broke slow in that race....but then again his Daddy had terrible feet. Baffert's Chitu had hoof problems and lost his spider-bar shoe during a derby workout last year. I think that SA track is just too hard causing hoof abscess/ bruising, quarter cracks and any number of more serious injuries. Texas Red who trains over the SA track, also was sidelined because of hoof trouble. TJ
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Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
One Lucky Dane is off the Derby trail. A fracture.
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
Bolo's connections announced today he will run in the Derby. Bejarano will ride after One Great Dane was injured. Next to decide should be Ocho Ocho Ocho. TJ
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
Ocho Ocho Ocho's trainer confirmed he will start in Kentucky Derby 141. This leaves the field as is, barring any other misfortune as the current field trains up to the Derby. Keen Ice is on the bubbles with Frammento looking for two defections to draw in. TJ
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
Keen Ice in.
Madefromlucky out.
On the bubble, Frammento.
Madefromlucky out.
On the bubble, Frammento.
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
TJ wrote:Cree wrote:One Lucky Dane and Madefromlucky are both sons of Lookin At Lucky. Coincidence, I am sure. I think that One Lucky Dane had a better shot than Madefromlucky for the big race, but that's that.
It sounds like it was the start of a condylar fracture. It is strange that all 3 of Baffert's top sophomore colts have lost a shoe (Dortmund in a race, American Pharoah in a race). What is going on with the shoeing at Baffert's barn? Is this normal?
Would losing a shoe have led to One Lucky Dane's injury?
Hi Cree,
I was wondering the same thing. Though it isn't unusual for horses to lose a shoe during the running of a race (especially if the track is off), it would be nice to know if there is something else going on. Remember American Pharoah had issues with his feet as a 2YO, when he missed the BC Juvenile because of a deep foot bruise. Dortmund had a good reason to blow his shoe because he broke slow in that race....but then again his Daddy had terrible feet. Baffert's Chitu had hoof problems and lost his spider-bar shoe during a derby workout last year. I think that SA track is just too hard causing hoof abscess/ bruising, quarter cracks and any number of more serious injuries. Texas Red who trains over the SA track, also was sidelined because of hoof trouble. TJ
Hi Cree,
Remember when we spoke about them losing shoes and I said it would be nice to know if there is something else going on? Just read American Pharoah has a plate covering part of his sole on his left fore leg. Would be nice to know if Dortmund also wears a plate?? TJ
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It doesn't sound like the plate needs to be removed. He worked lights out today, sounded like he was just motoring along easy as can be.
Re: Current Derby 141 Point Leaders
The field has been entered for Derby 141. There were 22 entries, the top twenty and two also eligibles, Frammento and surprise entrant Tale of Verve. The post positions will be draw this evening at 5:30. TJ
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Tale of Verve? Who is he?
I was thinking about the shoe/hoof topic and I concluded that I'm not that worried about American Pharoah. After all, it was Baffert who brought Midnight Lute back from hoof problems to win his second Breeders Cup Sprint with only one intervening race during the year.
I was thinking about the shoe/hoof topic and I concluded that I'm not that worried about American Pharoah. After all, it was Baffert who brought Midnight Lute back from hoof problems to win his second Breeders Cup Sprint with only one intervening race during the year.
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geowarrior wrote:Tale of Verve? Who is he?
I was thinking about the shoe/hoof topic and I concluded that I'm not that worried about American Pharoah. After all, it was Baffert who brought Midnight Lute back from hoof problems to win his second Breeders Cup Sprint with only one intervening race during the year.
Hi Geo,
Yes, probably nothing to worry about as AP's been racing with that protective pad all along. Tale of Verve just broke his maiden at Keeneland going 1 3/16ths miles. He came from last and drew clear at the wire with Joel Rosario on board. He's trained by Dallas Stewart who ran 2nd in the last two Kentucky Derbies at a big price breaking into both races when the bubble burst...something that needs to happen for Dallas one more time to get into this years Derby. TJ
Derby 141 Entries and Post Positions
Here's the official entries and post positions for Kentucky Derby 141. TJ
11th RACE. (C11) Post 6:34PM Stakes
The 141st Running of THE KENTUCKY DERBY (Grade I)
PURSE $2,000,000 1 1/4 Mile
FOR THREE YEAR OLDS.
1 OCHO OCHO OCHO (L) Cassidy, J Trujillo, E 126
2 CARPE DIEM (L) E0 Pletcher, T Velazquez, J 126
3 MATERIALITY (L) E0 Pletcher, T Castellano, J 126
4 TENCENDUR (L) E0 Weaver, G Franco, M 126
5 DANZIG MOON (L) E0 Casse, M Leparoux, J 126
6 MUBTAAHIJ (IRE) E0 de Kock, M Soumillon, C 126
7 EL KABEIR (L) Terranova, II, J Borel, C 126
8 DORTMUND (L) E0 Baffert, B Garcia, M 126
9 BOLO (L) Gaines, C Bejarano, R 126
10 FIRING LINE (L) E3 Callaghan, S Stevens, G 126
11 STANFORD (L) E0 Pletcher, T Geroux, F 126
12 INTERNATIONAL STAR (L) E0 Maker, M Mena, M 126
13 ITSAKNOCKOUT (L) E0 Pletcher, T Saez, L 126
14 KEEN ICE (L) E0 Romans, D Desormeaux, K 126
15 FROSTED (L) E3 McLaughlin, K Rosario, J 126
16 WAR STORY (L) E0 Amoss, T Talamo, J 126
17 MR. Z (L) E0 Lukas, D Vazquez, R 126
18 AMERICAN PHAROAH (L) E0 Baffert, B Espinoza, V 126
19 UPSTART (L) E3 Violette, Jr., R Ortiz, J 126
20 FAR RIGHT (L) Moquett, R Smith, M 126
--Also Eligibles--
21 FRAMMENTO (L) E0 Zito, N Nakatani, C 126
22 TALE OF VERVE (L) E0 Stewart, D Hernandez, Jr, B 126
11th RACE. (C11) Post 6:34PM Stakes
The 141st Running of THE KENTUCKY DERBY (Grade I)
PURSE $2,000,000 1 1/4 Mile
FOR THREE YEAR OLDS.
1 OCHO OCHO OCHO (L) Cassidy, J Trujillo, E 126
2 CARPE DIEM (L) E0 Pletcher, T Velazquez, J 126
3 MATERIALITY (L) E0 Pletcher, T Castellano, J 126
4 TENCENDUR (L) E0 Weaver, G Franco, M 126
5 DANZIG MOON (L) E0 Casse, M Leparoux, J 126
6 MUBTAAHIJ (IRE) E0 de Kock, M Soumillon, C 126
7 EL KABEIR (L) Terranova, II, J Borel, C 126
8 DORTMUND (L) E0 Baffert, B Garcia, M 126
9 BOLO (L) Gaines, C Bejarano, R 126
10 FIRING LINE (L) E3 Callaghan, S Stevens, G 126
11 STANFORD (L) E0 Pletcher, T Geroux, F 126
12 INTERNATIONAL STAR (L) E0 Maker, M Mena, M 126
13 ITSAKNOCKOUT (L) E0 Pletcher, T Saez, L 126
14 KEEN ICE (L) E0 Romans, D Desormeaux, K 126
15 FROSTED (L) E3 McLaughlin, K Rosario, J 126
16 WAR STORY (L) E0 Amoss, T Talamo, J 126
17 MR. Z (L) E0 Lukas, D Vazquez, R 126
18 AMERICAN PHAROAH (L) E0 Baffert, B Espinoza, V 126
19 UPSTART (L) E3 Violette, Jr., R Ortiz, J 126
20 FAR RIGHT (L) Moquett, R Smith, M 126
--Also Eligibles--
21 FRAMMENTO (L) E0 Zito, N Nakatani, C 126
22 TALE OF VERVE (L) E0 Stewart, D Hernandez, Jr, B 126