Getting High on Cause to Believe

StrawberryFelidos · Postby **StrawberryFelidos** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:39 pm

Okay, I know it's too early to get high on any 3yo, but I can't help it- I so like his record (6 wins and 3 seconds in 9 starts) such a consistent fella I can't help but cheer for him now, plus his daddy is Maria's Mon, whom I like.
Of course, he's probably been facing next-to-nothing competition at Golden Gate, the Triple Crown will break him and yadda yadda, same old story, but you know what? I can't help but hope that this time will be different. Maybe THIS time we will find the "big horse."
I'm such a sucker.
Anyway, for some real analysis, what do you guys think of his time of 1:41 for 1 1/16? Competitive? Not really? How's he measuring up, in your opinion?

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:28 am

I think Hollendoffer is doing a masterful job picking the races to run CTB. Why wring him out going against the so called "toughest" in the land before the Derby. He's giving him valuable experience and also finding out really what he has before taking on the big boys. CTB IMHO has all it takes to win the Derby. Go back and look at his races. He can come from way off the pace as he showed in the Cal Derby or be closer to the front as he showed in the El Camino Real. That's what it takes in a 20 horse field- being adaptable. He has the pedigree and I believe will make a very good showing in the BIG SHOW!! Also, I happen to own his half brother which, if CTB wins the Derby, should make my horse, COUNTER PUNCH a bit more commerical as a stallion prospect.

roving boy · Postby **roving boy** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:05 pm

I have previously stated my faith in CTB, and I do NOT own a 1/2 brother to him! :lol:

I do worry that it is not in the cards for any stallion to sire 2 Derby winners, and Maria's Mon has already had Monarchos.....IMHO that is as big an obstacle as any competition CTB faces.

Impressive performance against a suspect group, but still impressive. I will bet that his next start is against the big boys.

LSB · Postby **LSB** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:16 pm

I've been a fan of Cause To Believe for a while--at least partly because he's out of a Storm Cat mare and we have our Storm Bird mare booked to Maria's Mon this year.

Roving Boy is right to say that the odds are against it, but I'd love to see him pull through and win the Derby.

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:23 pm

roving boy

Even if I didn't own CTB'S half brother I still believe CTB has shown he can handle any race scenario and come out a winner. I also think having a sire that has produced a Derby winner is an asset not a liability. If Maria's Mon did it once why not twice. He gives me CAUSE TO BELIEVE!!

roving boy · Postby **roving boy** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:32 pm

OK, I will tell you another reason why I like CTB...

I am originally from Memphis and happen to be an Elvis fan (no I don't impersonate and have pretty catholic music tastes). Anyway, TCB is just slighly different from Elvis' pet phrase "TCB".

So here's hoping that CTB TCB's the first Saturday in May!!!

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:53 pm

roving boy

I'm originally from the birth state of the "KING"- Mississippi!!!! Like you I hope CTB will TCB the first Sat. of May. Let's both cheer for our favorite that day.

ELVIS LIVES!!!!!!

LSB · Postby **LSB** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:36 pm

Displaying my ignorance of all things Elvis...what does TCB mean?

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:51 pm

LSB

"TAKING CARE of BUSINESS"

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:56 pm

I also am a fan of CTB, infact to the point of wanting to bet him in the future book. HOWEVER, I am familliar with Jerry, and fairly aware of Derby fau pas of past and know how hungry he is to have success in that "arena." And also being very familliar with his tireless thoroughness and he's always ontop of nominations, etc.... my question is why then was the colt not nominated for a few hundred dollars? He was high on the horse early, and he would nominate... he's Jerry. He'd nominat everything he had if he thought the horse had a shot or would be sound through Derby Day.... It just doesn't ring true to Jerry's PP's. Maybe the colt has some holes that has the "King" doubting the colt's longevity through the first Saturday in MAy.
That said, maybe it will be a BC owned exacta in the Derby for Mr Redekop and Mr Peacock.
BUT Lawyer Ron did just sway me his directon...

Heidilady · Postby **Heidilady** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:41 pm

larrygene wrote:LSB

"TAKING CARE of BUSINESS"

OMG, I think you just explained the lyrics of Aretha Franklin's "Respect"....

"R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Take care, TCB"

This is huge if it's right. I think she means you need to take care of business and do right by her the way you're supposed to. Does this make sense? This is like some sort of pop music rosetta stone.

Tairaterces · Postby **Tairaterces** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:49 pm

Tucumcari wrote:I also am a fan of CTB, infact to the point of wanting to bet him in the future book. HOWEVER, I am familliar with Jerry, and fairly aware of Derby fau pas of past and know how hungry he is to have success in that "arena." And also being very familliar with his tireless thoroughness and he's always ontop of nominations, etc.... my question is why then was the colt not nominated for a few hundred dollars? He was high on the horse early, and he would nominate... he's Jerry. He'd nominat everything he had if he thought the horse had a shot or would be sound through Derby Day.... It just doesn't ring true to Jerry's PP's. Maybe the colt has some holes that has the "King" doubting the colt's longevity through the first Saturday in MAy.
That said, maybe it will be a BC owned exacta in the Derby for Mr Redekop and Mr Peacock.
BUT Lawyer Ron did just sway me his directon...

The horse was not the Dorf's to nominate . . . . .Mr. Redekop, the owner, did not want to nominate. And I bet if Peter Abruzzo hadn't bought into the horse Cause to Believe would not be nominated even now. The Dorf has been high on the horse forever . . even when he lost to Cousins Lew.

And Jerry has had just plain bad luck with his Derby horses . . . . Event of the Year and Globalize are the two that I remember.

Tairaterces

Whirlaway · Postby **Whirlaway** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:18 pm

Good work StrawberryFelidos,

As you know That Cause to Believe beat Wanna Runner and AP Warrior. If APW beats Brother Derek this weekend, as I believe he will, then anything can happen!

Nerd · Postby **Nerd** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:07 pm

I like the fact that Cause To Believe can win from behind (a la Monarchos), which I think will be important this year if the pace is quick (many of the buzz horses who look like they're going to make it are used to going to the front without too much competition). That said, I don't know. He's just not very confidence-inspiring to me. Hasn't had his guts tested like some of the other Derby hopefuls. But I guess we'll see.

StrawberryFelidos · Postby **StrawberryFelidos** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:29 am

As you know That Cause to Believe beat Wanna Runner and AP Warrior

Not bad. Wanna Runner's an okay dude, but I don't think AP Warrior had it "together" for most of this year. Matter of fact, I don't know if AP Warrior has it "together" now. He might be very flukey.
Whether or not he's faced anyone of merit, Cause to Believe has been fast- I hope that speed holds against good ones.