Here's the chart:
http://magna.equibase.com/eqbPDFChart.c ... E=A&BorP=B
Basically sounds like what we figured. Carthage had some seasoning on the year and Foggy just wasn't 100% but of course his connections didn't figure he would be anyway. I remember Carthage's folks saying if there was a time to race against LITF, it'd be now. Plus Carthage had 117 to LITF's 125.
1. Carthage
2. Lost in the Fog
3. Elegant Ice
4. Twentythreejaybird
Did I read the chart right? Did he lose by 3 lengths? 1:09.08 was the time which is funny because LITF had nearly 2 seconds lower as the track record last May. Clearly he's not quite sharp enough yet but I guess nice job considering.
Lost in the Fog loses
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Re: Lost in the Fog loses
Looked like more than that. He was struggling halfway through.
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And I'm one of the few who believe that a 9lbs spread between two 1000lbs horses doesn't mean a whole lot ... especially when they have exercise riders who routinely weigh more than what the horses carry in a race. 19lbs, maybe. 9lbs, not really. Especially not at 6 furlongs.
He had enough reasons going in that would say he wasn't ready for his top effort ... using a paltry 9lbs spread as one is an insult.
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He had enough reasons going in that would say he wasn't ready for his top effort ... using a paltry 9lbs spread as one is an insult.
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stupid quotes .. bad habit.
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Anybody else get the feeling that Lost in the Fog is in big trouble?
I mean, I could understand if he lost to a good field, it being after his layoff and being short or whatever excuse they want to make- but guys, this was against a group of three nobodies running in a race that was invented specifically for Lost in the Fog, and he blew it. 3 length loss to who? And, yeah, the two seconds slower than his own mark isn't exactly encouraging.
What's up, Lost in the Fog? Life got you down? Hormones kicking in? What?!?
And why is it that former champions so often come back as shadows of themselves (Smuggler, where the hell were you today??)
I mean, I could understand if he lost to a good field, it being after his layoff and being short or whatever excuse they want to make- but guys, this was against a group of three nobodies running in a race that was invented specifically for Lost in the Fog, and he blew it. 3 length loss to who? And, yeah, the two seconds slower than his own mark isn't exactly encouraging.
What's up, Lost in the Fog? Life got you down? Hormones kicking in? What?!?
And why is it that former champions so often come back as shadows of themselves (Smuggler, where the hell were you today??)
Beiing a very good 3 year old won,t say anything about beiing a four year old.
What was the raceweight last May?
In our country a weight advantage for four year old against older horses is set up for 2 pds up to june.
Time will tell how this will be unfold.
Maybe he is nowadays, a very good one, but not a superstar.
The weight tables says 2 pds for each lenght at 5 furlongs, that,s figured out a very long time ago. If I read it well?? He maked an 118 beyer instead of the 125
Besided that, the 125 gives a damn lot more pressure, on the horses back
in combition with the race speed, than a 117
What was the raceweight last May?
In our country a weight advantage for four year old against older horses is set up for 2 pds up to june.
Time will tell how this will be unfold.
Maybe he is nowadays, a very good one, but not a superstar.
The weight tables says 2 pds for each lenght at 5 furlongs, that,s figured out a very long time ago. If I read it well?? He maked an 118 beyer instead of the 125
Besided that, the 125 gives a damn lot more pressure, on the horses back
in combition with the race speed, than a 117
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True, Louis, but these weren't the lions of the world. This was the easiest pickings that Lost in the Fog could have gotten, save for maybe running in an optional claimer. Three relatively unaccomplished foes at his ideal distance, he should've motored by them like he did in the Golden Bear.
edit: I see the winner has won a few ungraded stakes, so he isn't a total pushover. He still shouldn't have been anywhere near the same class as LitF, at least the LitF of last year. This year's model looks pretty darn vulnerable.
edit: I see the winner has won a few ungraded stakes, so he isn't a total pushover. He still shouldn't have been anywhere near the same class as LitF, at least the LitF of last year. This year's model looks pretty darn vulnerable.
StrawberryFelidos wrote:Anybody else get the feeling that Lost in the Fog is in big trouble?
I mean, I could understand if he lost to a good field, it being after his layoff and being short or whatever excuse they want to make- but guys, this was against a group of three nobodies running in a race that was invented specifically for Lost in the Fog, and he blew it. 3 length loss to who? And, yeah, the two seconds slower than his own mark isn't exactly encouraging.
What's up, Lost in the Fog? Life got you down? Hormones kicking in? What?!?
And why is it that former champions so often come back as shadows of themselves (Smuggler, where the hell were you today??)
I'm sorry but if you listened to the commentators and read the articles on the race before he ran Saturday, they all seemed to figure Carthage was a live wire and fully capable of being a handful if LITF wasn't 100% from the layoff and Carthage brought his A game. If they expected this was a possibility, having run the works LITF did and they were pretty flashy all told, I'd say you're underrating Carthage AND LITF. Should they meet again in the future I'd expect a turnaround but I don't think Carthage will fade into oblivion. He's just not as good as Foggy but he's not nobody. One had several months off a layoff, the other had some preps and was not untalented. Who do you think's more ready for the race?
"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana"
I don't think anyone is overreacting. When you're 1-9; almost undefeated; one of the fastest horses of your generation; running against basically one horse who but a few races back was running for a tag-you're supposed to get it done. Regarding the nine pound weight shift-weight, without question weight makes a difference. If you don't think so, go out and run a timed quarter mile as fast as you can go. The next day do the same thing but clip a "paltry" one pound weight to your belt and check your time.