This year has been awful ...we just lost a set of twins

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This year has been awful ...we just lost a set of twins

Postby tammysinnett » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:55 am

The mare I have been waiting to deliver ....her owner had to leave town and wanted me to watch her, she delivered twins....I left the barn with her not showing any signs of labor at 7 pm returned at my usual 1230 am and found two dead foals in the stall. One was a huge boy red bagged his eyes were open and the sac was not opened...the smallest of the two was in a normal bag and her eyes were closed and the sac was opened around her nostrils... I am feeling terrible guilty.....every night I have been there to watch her act like she was going to deliver then not....she was only 5 days over her due date.....one night I decided to fix my husband supper and give her some peace and this happened...does anyone feel I could have saved either twin?? I could hardly lift the big boy he weighed so much and long legs ...I feel terrible her belly was moving this am and last night -I love this mare.....what a horrific site she tried to attack me when I was taking the babie out of the stall....oh my god... :( all I could do was cry....this is the added dissapointment to my studs breeding this year one mare he bred died in her first trimester (farm accident I believe) another two mares have absorbed I am really unsure why this year we have had troubles ....all mares are from different farms. My mare is due this weekend and she is bigger than the mare with twins ....we have the same vet that sonagramed the first mare so I pray that we are not in for another tragedy. I think this is the final straw to hang up the breeding bit.....All those people that abuse horses should have to spend one night like I just did...maybe then they would appreciate how precious life is....I laid the babies in a sheet together to be buried.....I will never forget the sound of the mare ....never....the pain in her whinnies when I carried her babies out of that stall.....they will be etched in my heart forever. :cry:

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Postby Roguelet » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:25 am

Tammy... please don't beat yourself up wondering "what if." Twins have the deck stacked against them from the get-go.... and had you gone down to check on her earlier, the mare may very well have held off and not foaled at that time.

This seems to be such a hard year; I keep hearing of this abortion or that abortion, and it seems that a lot of horses have been lost recently as well. I think everyone in the horse business has a "year from hell" at some point. I guess the positive side is that it will get better...

Anyway, I'm really sorry you (and the mare) had to go through that. It's definitely a heartbreaker.
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Postby Bondama » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:54 am

Oh Tammy how awful for you. We have been there and done that, too, and even with twins. But Rogue is right - you can't wonder "what if". The horse game can deal some cruel blows, it's all a part of it. You have to take the bad with the good, and find a way to cope. Jingles to the mare, and prayers for you.
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Postby Bedouwia » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:33 am

I am so sorry for what happened. You are in no way at fault, and these things are sadly just a part of what sometimes is nature's way. They are hard to understand, and difficult to accept. Obviously, you are a very responsible and caring person. My heart goes out to you and the mare for the loss.

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Postby tammysinnett » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:36 am

Thankyou....I just struggled so much thinking I was at fault. Thankyou friends for comforting me ....for the safety of the mare is there anything I should watch for after birthing twins thats different from other birthing after precautions--the vet is on his way...to give a tetanus ans some antibiotics...

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Postby Bondama » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:20 am

I would keep an eye out for foundering. If she starts to limp for no apparent reason, or stands with her front feet out in front of her...i.e. "parking out", instead of straight up under her, summon the vet immediately.
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Postby fletch621 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:28 am

OK, this may sound "mean" to some.... but in this day and age how in the world would ANY breeder allow a mare to settle with twins? The result is almost never pleasant for any of the horses or people involved.

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Postby dray33 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:54 am

Sorry for your terrible loss tammysinnett, but this happens from the biggest farms to the smallest. Watch the mare, hopefully next year brings joy.

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Postby madelyn » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:02 am

fletch, So Much Depends On the Professional Ability of the Vet involved. I can't tell you how many times vets have missed pregnancies on ultrasound at my farm. I quit trusting that and I also run blood. I don't short cycle mares. I wait and tease them at 19-24 days if I believe they are in foal despite what the vet said. I had one vet out here one time from a very good clinic who took about five seconds to ultrasound a mare and declare a "yes in foal" or a "not in foal" - she only found one in six :lol: and NEVER looked for twins. And she was totally wrong about the other five. I refused to pay that bill and NEVER had that vet back. Many other folks on this board have had vets who missed twins and ended up losing the foals. Twins survive So Seldom. tammy, don't beat yourself up. Red bags usually require quite experienced help to survive and the little one would have probably been too puny.
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Postby CampRiver » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:11 pm

I used to board my mare yrs ago at a local boarding and breeding stable, they had a TB mare that foaled twins(unbeknowst to them), Well, it was just awful-they were both fillies. One was born with only 3 legs and the other was perfect but a little on the small side. Sad to say, they both didnt make it.
My mare, before I had her, when she was bred, was confirmed in foal with twins. They pinched one off and she went on to foal a healthy colt.
I had her bred shortly after I got her but she slipped after a couple months and I like to think it was nature's way of terminating a possible twin pregnancy. I never attempted to have her bred again.

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Postby fletch621 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:24 pm

Wow, I have been taking too much stock in technology and competant vets I guess. :(

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Postby clh » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:36 pm

Tammy - so sorry. I know the heartache of the sound you are talking about as McCaskill just lost a foal this year and although she didn't yell she nickered quietly for her foal but luckily for her she didn't see it or have the chance to lick it which saved her some of the heartache. However, hearing her "call" for her baby was almost more than I could stand. Bear in mind however that after a few days she forgot she even had one ;)

My one mare almost ALWAYS gets in foal with twins and my vet hunts for it and pinches it. Thankfully she has so far had healthy foals every year, but then I think my vet is a true god and doesn't miss much - he knows what he is looking for, he palps, he u/s numerous times and I trust him completely. So far, he hasn't steered me wrong. A good reproductive vet is important in this business and one that you can trust.

Tammy - we have had some awful years in this business, but know that times can and do get better, that the sun does come up tomorrow and one live foal running in the field makes up for all the heartache in the world.

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Postby Jenny » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:51 am

So sorry for you Tammy.
I just saw this and have not been on the site lately. i know it is hard, keep your chin up hopefully better times are in the near future.

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Postby ak1 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:24 pm

Very sorry to hear of your loss Tammy...hope you and the mare are doing better.

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Postby Mood Swings » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:17 pm

Very sad :( I hope the mare is okay!

RIP little foals :(
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