Has anyone seen Passe Approval online for sale on Dreamhorse.com. She is by With Approval and out of Mesabi by Unbridled and her dam is a 3/4 sister to Funistrada and Wakonda. Her 3rd dam is the dam of Cozzene. She is a 16.2 hand gray for sale for $3,000. She says she doesn't have the papers because she was not interested in them but says they can be purchased. The mare is in Oregon.
Keith
PASSE APPROVAL for sale
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Owner writes in the ad:
*I do not have her papers, but they can be purchased. I was not interested in having them, as I was planning on keeping her as an all-around horse*
May be true, but sounds fishy to me. Why would anybody not register a horse, in particular a mare, if it is registrable. Of course, at 3, it may cost considerably more. Since she didn't race and thus has no tatoo, her ideantity would have to be established by DNA testing, etc. Would like to see a breeding certificate at the very most. Otherwise, her pretty nice pedigree is of no value.
Sabine
*I do not have her papers, but they can be purchased. I was not interested in having them, as I was planning on keeping her as an all-around horse*
May be true, but sounds fishy to me. Why would anybody not register a horse, in particular a mare, if it is registrable. Of course, at 3, it may cost considerably more. Since she didn't race and thus has no tatoo, her ideantity would have to be established by DNA testing, etc. Would like to see a breeding certificate at the very most. Otherwise, her pretty nice pedigree is of no value.
Sabine
Crystal, the mare didn't race. Either that or she did and the pedigree either got lost or was sent back in to the Jockey Club. Some owners do this as they don't want the horse to race again. Under these circumstances, the mare would only be good for riding or x-breeding and can never produce a registered TB for that matter.
I don't have access to the information, but I can find out if indeed, she ever raced. No doubt, she's a well-bred mare which might justify her asking price, if she is sound.
Sabine
I don't have access to the information, but I can find out if indeed, she ever raced. No doubt, she's a well-bred mare which might justify her asking price, if she is sound.
Sabine
The papers thing sounds fishy. If she was registered, it would indicate that someone else has the papers and might part with them for a price. If she is unregistered, it is horribly expensive to register a 3yo ($2,000). DNA would identify the horse if the correct parents were provided, but not if she is of other parentage.
If she was registered, you would not need the mare's papers in order to produce a TB that could be registered, unless the papers had been turned into the JC as "sold without Pedigree" and a quick call to the JC would confirm that. You WOULD, however, need her papers to register an Appendix or get her approved for a warmblood cross.
If she was registered, you would not need the mare's papers in order to produce a TB that could be registered, unless the papers had been turned into the JC as "sold without Pedigree" and a quick call to the JC would confirm that. You WOULD, however, need her papers to register an Appendix or get her approved for a warmblood cross.
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I just checked my racing database and this horse ran 4 times. So yes, she is registered.
She couldn't run a lick! She earned less than $1,000 lifetime.
Four starts, with the following results.
8th by 68
DNF
6th by 31
10th by 44
The best line in the ad: "I would consider trading for a truck."
You'd do better to breed your truck! Good luck.
She couldn't run a lick! She earned less than $1,000 lifetime.
Four starts, with the following results.
8th by 68
DNF
6th by 31
10th by 44
The best line in the ad: "I would consider trading for a truck."
You'd do better to breed your truck! Good luck.
I'm sure everybody has looked Passe Approval's pedigree up by now. You can't deny that she is a pretty well-bred mare, all things considered.
3d dam,
Ride The TRails
Produce record copied from the OPQ
COZZENE (USA) gr H 1980 CARO 24-6-2-5 $ 278,152
IVY ROAD (USA) ch F 1975 DR. FAGER 24-6-4-3 $113,992
MESABI (USA) b M 1976 MINNESOTA MAC 23-3-4-4 $54,160
MOCHILA (USA) dkb/br F 1979 IN REALITY 23-9-2-7 $294,674
MOVIN MONEY (USA) ch F 1977 DR. FAGER
SIDE SADDLE2 F 1982 CODEX 17-1-1-5 $20,970
2nd dam
MESABI by Minesota Mac [bred by Nerud]
Produce Record
ESSENE (USA) F 1982 ARTS AND LETTERS unraced
FUNISTRADA (USA) b F 1983 FAPPIANO 30-7-6-6 $479,404 4-
WAKONDA F 1984 FAPPIANO 30-12-?-? $415,400
KUNJAR (USA) b H 1985 FAPPIANO45-8-14-5 $292,780
WILLIAM LAWRENCE (USA) dkb/br H 1986 FAPPIANO 11-1-0-0 $2,270 MESAPPIANO (USA) b M 1987 FAPPIANO ?-1-2-? $33,410
MUMBAI (USA) b H 1988 FAPPIANO 30-7-7-3 $115,390
JENEPHER b M 1992 SEATTLE SLEW Unraced
MESABI RANGE F 1993 UNBRIDLED
MONEY MADAM (USA) b M 1994 AP INDY ?-1-?-? $14,993
MOMBASA5 (USA) M 1997 DYNAFORMER ?-?-?-?
dam 1993 only 12 years old in 05
MESABI RANGE by Unbridled
produced
GIN GIN F GO FOR GIN UNBRIDLED
PASSE APPROVAL F 2000 WITH APPROVAL 4 years old....
WASABI WARRIOR C 2002 GO FOR GIN
3d dam,
Ride The TRails
Produce record copied from the OPQ
COZZENE (USA) gr H 1980 CARO 24-6-2-5 $ 278,152
IVY ROAD (USA) ch F 1975 DR. FAGER 24-6-4-3 $113,992
MESABI (USA) b M 1976 MINNESOTA MAC 23-3-4-4 $54,160
MOCHILA (USA) dkb/br F 1979 IN REALITY 23-9-2-7 $294,674
MOVIN MONEY (USA) ch F 1977 DR. FAGER
SIDE SADDLE2 F 1982 CODEX 17-1-1-5 $20,970
2nd dam
MESABI by Minesota Mac [bred by Nerud]
Produce Record
ESSENE (USA) F 1982 ARTS AND LETTERS unraced
FUNISTRADA (USA) b F 1983 FAPPIANO 30-7-6-6 $479,404 4-
WAKONDA F 1984 FAPPIANO 30-12-?-? $415,400
KUNJAR (USA) b H 1985 FAPPIANO45-8-14-5 $292,780
WILLIAM LAWRENCE (USA) dkb/br H 1986 FAPPIANO 11-1-0-0 $2,270 MESAPPIANO (USA) b M 1987 FAPPIANO ?-1-2-? $33,410
MUMBAI (USA) b H 1988 FAPPIANO 30-7-7-3 $115,390
JENEPHER b M 1992 SEATTLE SLEW Unraced
MESABI RANGE F 1993 UNBRIDLED
MONEY MADAM (USA) b M 1994 AP INDY ?-1-?-? $14,993
MOMBASA5 (USA) M 1997 DYNAFORMER ?-?-?-?
dam 1993 only 12 years old in 05
MESABI RANGE by Unbridled
produced
GIN GIN F GO FOR GIN UNBRIDLED
PASSE APPROVAL F 2000 WITH APPROVAL 4 years old....
WASABI WARRIOR C 2002 GO FOR GIN
More info to consider on the mare:
Her family was obviously valued. Unraced daugher
1996 RUBIANO
1997 CAHILL ROAD
1998 CRAFTY PROSPECTOR
1999 DEHERE
2000 AWESOME AGAIN SEATTLE
2001 MT LIVERMORE
2001 MT LIVERMORE
Funistrada ex 2nd dam MESABI produced
CONTE DI SAVOYA b H 1989 SOVEREIGN DANCER FAPPIANO 26-5-8-7 $402,931
KRISADA (USA) b F 1996 KRIS S. FAPPIANO 20-5-2-4 $267,980
unraced MINISTRADA (USA) b M 1995 DEPUTY MINISTER FAPPIANO
produced
LONE STAR SKY (USA) b C 2000 CONQUISTADOR CIELO DEPUTY MINISTER 14-3-4-1 $504,955
more upcoming from this family out of unraced
PRIVATE LAKE b M 1995 MEADOWLAKE
LADY GEMSTONE F 2002 GRINDSTONE MEADOWLAKE
NOVECIENTOS F 2000 CALLER I D MEADOWLAKE
SMART N PRETTY F 2003 ELUSIVE QUALITY MEADOWLAKE
Other upcoming
FEMININE GIRL (USA) b F 2001 KINGMAMBO $125,000+
THE DUKE OF DIXIE C 2002 DIXIELAND BAND AP INDY ?-?-?-?
BOOMANJI F 2002 CARSON CITY DYNAFORMER ?-?-?-?
Again notice that all the info above is from the POQ and may not be complete or 100% accurate.
Her family was obviously valued. Unraced daugher
1996 RUBIANO
1997 CAHILL ROAD
1998 CRAFTY PROSPECTOR
1999 DEHERE
2000 AWESOME AGAIN SEATTLE
2001 MT LIVERMORE
2001 MT LIVERMORE
Funistrada ex 2nd dam MESABI produced
CONTE DI SAVOYA b H 1989 SOVEREIGN DANCER FAPPIANO 26-5-8-7 $402,931
KRISADA (USA) b F 1996 KRIS S. FAPPIANO 20-5-2-4 $267,980
unraced MINISTRADA (USA) b M 1995 DEPUTY MINISTER FAPPIANO
produced
LONE STAR SKY (USA) b C 2000 CONQUISTADOR CIELO DEPUTY MINISTER 14-3-4-1 $504,955
more upcoming from this family out of unraced
PRIVATE LAKE b M 1995 MEADOWLAKE
LADY GEMSTONE F 2002 GRINDSTONE MEADOWLAKE
NOVECIENTOS F 2000 CALLER I D MEADOWLAKE
SMART N PRETTY F 2003 ELUSIVE QUALITY MEADOWLAKE
Other upcoming
FEMININE GIRL (USA) b F 2001 KINGMAMBO $125,000+
THE DUKE OF DIXIE C 2002 DIXIELAND BAND AP INDY ?-?-?-?
BOOMANJI F 2002 CARSON CITY DYNAFORMER ?-?-?-?
Again notice that all the info above is from the POQ and may not be complete or 100% accurate.
I had the owner send me some pictures of the mare. She warned me that they aren't good pics and that she is much 'prettier' in real life, lol.
Well, the pictures are bad indeed, but I think that if someone would pull that mare's unkempt mane, put just a bit more weight on her [she's not skinny though], and stand her up squarely and in a relaxed manner, she might even look decent. Her legs look o.k. as far as I can tell, but she's standing in grass and so awkward that one can't tell teo much. One picture shows her to have a pretty slanted and deep shoulder, but in another picture it looks just ordinary. She doesn't have a strong top line and the top of her croup to the top of her tail is shorter than what I like to see in a Tb. Also, I would have to see a stick measure to believe that she's 16.2. People are very laxed and often inaccurate about size, and while an inch or so may not make that much of a difference, I'd like accurate information. However, one cannot tell these things from pictures.
Judging from the pictures and considering her dismal racing ability, she's worth about $1K with all the competition right now. Still, her pedigree is tempting. Gosh, With Approval is such a stunning horse, so maybe she really IS better looking in real life or her dam was an ugly duckling, lol.
I'd have to see a video of her before I would seriously consider her, and while prettyness doesn't not a race horse make, there are features about conformation which indicate athleticism or the potential thereof.
Sabine
Sabine
Well, the pictures are bad indeed, but I think that if someone would pull that mare's unkempt mane, put just a bit more weight on her [she's not skinny though], and stand her up squarely and in a relaxed manner, she might even look decent. Her legs look o.k. as far as I can tell, but she's standing in grass and so awkward that one can't tell teo much. One picture shows her to have a pretty slanted and deep shoulder, but in another picture it looks just ordinary. She doesn't have a strong top line and the top of her croup to the top of her tail is shorter than what I like to see in a Tb. Also, I would have to see a stick measure to believe that she's 16.2. People are very laxed and often inaccurate about size, and while an inch or so may not make that much of a difference, I'd like accurate information. However, one cannot tell these things from pictures.
Judging from the pictures and considering her dismal racing ability, she's worth about $1K with all the competition right now. Still, her pedigree is tempting. Gosh, With Approval is such a stunning horse, so maybe she really IS better looking in real life or her dam was an ugly duckling, lol.
I'd have to see a video of her before I would seriously consider her, and while prettyness doesn't not a race horse make, there are features about conformation which indicate athleticism or the potential thereof.
Sabine
Sabine