I'm not familiar with what CANTER may do when breeding is forbid. As for the comments, you are correct, in essence, any new owner could apply for a duplicate set following their procedure.
Registering JC foals is done through DNA (samples taken from their mane) and the last time I registered a TB, I don't recall needing to show any information on the dam (reg. paper wise) besides filling out the form accordingly.
It's been a while, possibly someone else who is involved more heavily in foal registration could provide some insight....
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To register, you have to first fill out the live foal/no foal paperwork, then the actual registration paperwork with all the markings, cowlicks, etc... then you have to do the pictures and the DNA. At no time do you have to produce registration papers for the mare. However, if the JC had it on file that the mare was sold without papers (which a seller can legally do, but there is a procedure... not just a matter of burning the registration papers) then the JC would have that on record and, I assume, would not follow through with the foal's registration.
However, in our state at least, you must register each mare with the state each year, and each year you must also provide a copy of the mare's registration papers with the state regsitration paperwork. They only require a copy, not the original (obviously) so if you only had a copy, you'd still be fine there.
If a seller hasn't gone through the correct steps of basically nullifying the registration of a mare, the new owner could very easily get a duplicate set of papers. Honestly, it's no different than what you have to go through to register a foal... and actually a bit cheaper if I remember correctly.
Incidentally, it's also "illegal" to write something across the papers, like "Not for Racing" or something like that. That's considered defacing the papers. Again, there is a certain procedure to go through and that's the only way the JC will recognise that request.
However, in our state at least, you must register each mare with the state each year, and each year you must also provide a copy of the mare's registration papers with the state regsitration paperwork. They only require a copy, not the original (obviously) so if you only had a copy, you'd still be fine there.
If a seller hasn't gone through the correct steps of basically nullifying the registration of a mare, the new owner could very easily get a duplicate set of papers. Honestly, it's no different than what you have to go through to register a foal... and actually a bit cheaper if I remember correctly.
Incidentally, it's also "illegal" to write something across the papers, like "Not for Racing" or something like that. That's considered defacing the papers. Again, there is a certain procedure to go through and that's the only way the JC will recognise that request.
"Sold Without Pedigree"
From the jockey club rule book:
http://www.jockeyclub.com/registry.asp? ... 3#eighteen
18. SOLD WITHOUT PEDIGREE
A. Any owner who desires a horse no longer to be considered a Thoroughbred for racing or breeding purposes must promptly surrender the Certificate of Foal Registration to The Jockey Club within 60 days of the date of sale with an accompanying notation that the horse was transferred or sold "without pedigree." The notation must be signed by the owner or authorized agent and indicate the date of disposition. In the event the owner or his authorized agent surrenders the Certificate of Foal Registration to The Jockey Club in the above manner more than 60 days after the date of transfer or sale, then the new owner or transferee must also submit a statement that the horse was purchased or received without pedigree.
B. Upon receipt in The Jockey Club Registry Office, the respective Certificate of Foal Registration will be cancelled. Once the registration is cancelled, the horse cannot be reinstated into the registry, and a Duplicate Certificate of Foal Registration will not be issued.
C. Notations upon a Certificate of Foal Registration which do not clearly indicate transferred or sold without pedigree, including notations such as "not to be raced," shall not result in cancellation of the Certificate of Foal Registration. Such notations could be regarded as defacing the Certificate of Foal Registration and, submission to The Jockey Club of any such defaced Certificate of Foal Registration, may cause a Corrected Certificate of Foal Registration to be issued.
http://www.jockeyclub.com/registry.asp? ... 3#eighteen
18. SOLD WITHOUT PEDIGREE
A. Any owner who desires a horse no longer to be considered a Thoroughbred for racing or breeding purposes must promptly surrender the Certificate of Foal Registration to The Jockey Club within 60 days of the date of sale with an accompanying notation that the horse was transferred or sold "without pedigree." The notation must be signed by the owner or authorized agent and indicate the date of disposition. In the event the owner or his authorized agent surrenders the Certificate of Foal Registration to The Jockey Club in the above manner more than 60 days after the date of transfer or sale, then the new owner or transferee must also submit a statement that the horse was purchased or received without pedigree.
B. Upon receipt in The Jockey Club Registry Office, the respective Certificate of Foal Registration will be cancelled. Once the registration is cancelled, the horse cannot be reinstated into the registry, and a Duplicate Certificate of Foal Registration will not be issued.
C. Notations upon a Certificate of Foal Registration which do not clearly indicate transferred or sold without pedigree, including notations such as "not to be raced," shall not result in cancellation of the Certificate of Foal Registration. Such notations could be regarded as defacing the Certificate of Foal Registration and, submission to The Jockey Club of any such defaced Certificate of Foal Registration, may cause a Corrected Certificate of Foal Registration to be issued.