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 Post subject: It's Derby Time
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:35 pm 
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Here we go again:>) This weekend there are three 17 Point Derby Races....not big points yet, but one did draw the 2YO Champion Classic Empire who will be making his 3YO debut in the GR II Holy Bull at GP. Below are the entries for the 3 Derby point races along with past performances. Also added an additional race (no points) which could produce a future Derby contender from the GR II Swale, a 7/8ths sprint. The two possibilities are making their 3YO debuts after disappointing races in the BC Juvenile (Three Rules) and BC Juvenile Turf (Favorable Outcome). The Withers drew a decent field and a good betting race...only disappointing race is at SA, small field of 5 with 3 of those trained by O'Neill. TJ

12th Race. Post 5:35PM
The 32nd Running of The Holy Bull Stake (Grade II)
Purse $350,000 Guaranteed 1 1/16 Miles for THREE YEAR OLDS.

1 GUNNEVERA (L) '14 C 122 Castellano, J Peacock Racing Stables, LLC Sano, A
2 PERRO ROJO (L) '14 C 116 Juarez, N Calumet Farm Zito, N
3 CLASSIC EMPIRE (L) '14 C 122 Leparoux, J Oxley, J Casse, M
4 TALK LOGISTICS (L) '14 C 116 Lopez, P Hardway Stables Plesa, Jr., E
5 IRISH WAR CRY (L1) '14 C 120 Rosario, J de Tomaso, I Motion, H
6 FACT FINDING (L) '14 C 120 Velazquez, J Tabor, M., Magnier, M., Smith, D. and StoneSteet. Pletcher, T
7 SHAMSAAN (L) '14 C 116 Saez, L Shadwell Stable McLaughlin, K
8 CAVIL (L) '14 G 116 Lezcano, J Godolphin Racing LLC McLaughlin, K
9 FIRE FOR EFFECT (L) '14 C 116 Lanerie, C West Point Thoroughbreds Romans, D

Click on Fact Finding: http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatc ... mmary.html


5th Race. GP Post 2:00PM
The 36th Running of The Swale Stakes (Grade II)
Purse $200,000 Guaranteed 7 Furlongs for THREE YEAR OLDS.
1 DEREK'S SMILE (L) '14 C 116 Jaramillo, E Hall, G Breen, K
2 SONIC MULE (L) '14 C 120 Velazquez, J Calumet Farm Pletcher, T
3 THREE RULES (L) '14 C 120 Velasquez, C Shade Tree Thoroughbreds, Inc., Fitzgerald, Tom anPinchin, J
4 FAVORABLE OUTCOME (L) '14 C 116 Castellano, J Klaravich Stables, Inc. and Lawrence, William H. Brown, C
5 VANISH (L) '14 C 120 Rosario, J Barber, G Casse, M
6 IMPRESSIVE EDGE (L) '14 C 116 Saez, L N & K Racing Romans, D

Click on Sonic Mule: http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatc ... mmary.html

8th Race AQU. Approx Post 4:20PM
THE WITHERS STAKES (Grade III)
Purse $250,000 (Up to $35,000 NYSBFOA) One Mile And One Sixteenth (Inner Dirt)
FOR THREE YEAR OLDS.
1 True Timber(L) B.c.3 116 Carmouche, K Calumet Farm McLaughlin, Kiaran
2 Apartfromthecrowd(L) Dk B/ Br.c.3 116 Ortiz, Jr., I Klaravich Stables Brown, Chad
3 Jaime's Angel Ch.c.3 116 Garcia, A Youngs Racing Stable Metivier, Richard
4 El Areeb(L) Gr/ro.c.3 122 McCarthy, T M M G Stables, LLC Lynch, Cathal
5 Bonus Points(L) B.c.3 116 Franco, M Three Diamonds Farm Pletcher, Todd
6 Fillet of Sole(L) Ch.c.3 116 Maragh, R Teresa Viola Racing Stables Pletcher, Todd
7 Always a Suspect(L) Dk B/ Br.c.3 116 Gallardo, A Victory Racing Partners McLaughlin, Kiaran
8 Small Bear(L) Gr/ro.g.3 118 Davis, D August Dawn Farm Sciacca, Gary
9 Square Shooter(L) Gr/ro.c.3 118 Pennington, F Gold Square Lerman, Michael
10 J Boys Echo(L) B.c.3 116 Albarado, R Albaugh Family Stable Romans, Dale

Click on Fillet of Sole: http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatc ... mmary.html


2nd Race. SA
Robert B. Lewis Stakes (Grade III)
Purse $150,000 Guaranteed One Mile And One Sixteenth FOR THREE-YEAR-OLDS.
1 ROYAL MO (L) '14 C 120 Espinoza, V Mr. & Mrs. J. S. Moss John Shirreffs
2 IRAP (L) '14 C 120 Gutierrez, M Reddam Racing, LLC Doug O'Neill Blk-On
3 DANGERFIELD (L) '14 C 122 Desormeaux, K W. C. Racing or Zayat Stables, LLC Doug O'Neill
4 TERM OF ART (L) '14 C 124 Baze, T Calumet Farm Doug O'Neill Blk-Off
5 SHEER FLATTERY (L) '14 C 120 Smith, M Barrow, Robertson or Hollendorfer Jerry Hollendorfer

Click on Irap: http://www.tlore.net/trainers/oneill/public/brisnet.cfm


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:50 am 
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That California field is sad. Where are the colts and geldings???

I am going with the Champ in the Holy Bull.

Classic Empire
Shamsaan
Fact Finding

Withers:

Apartfromthecrowd
El Areeb
J Boys Echo

Robert J Lewis:

Sheer Flattery
Dangerfield


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:17 am 
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The Holy Bull:

Classic Empire
Fact Finding (SCR)
Irish War Cry
Gunnevera
Shamsaan

The Swale:

Three Rules
Favorable Outcome
Sonic Mule

The Withers:

El Areeb
Fillet Of Sole
Square Shooter
J Boys Echo

RB Lewis:

Sheer Flattery
Royal Mo


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
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Here's the results for the Swale Stakes....doesn't look like Derby for either of the top two. Three Rules might need a van to go a mile and a quarter....though Favorable Outcome rated patiently and did get to Three Rules by a 1/2 in deep stretch, Chad Brown will keep him sprinting. TJ
Favorable Outcome
Three Rules
Sonic Mule
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Here's the results of the RB Lewis:
Royal Mo
Irap
Dangerfield
Term Of Art


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Here's the results of the Withers:
El Areeb
True Timber
J Boys Echo
Bonus Points


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:26 pm 
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El Areeb looked really good out there, but I have a hard time gauging the 3-year-olds racing at Aqueduct every year. Exchange Rate on the top side makes me reluctant to think he can go 10 furlongs, but his female family has a tonne of stamina - that is a Sam-Son Farm female family :-) :-)


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Here's the results of the Holy Bull Stakes:
Irish War Cry...very professional win for Graham Motion's son of Curlin.
Gunnevera...clear 2nd
Classic Empire...was in a lather behind the gate and was reluctant to enter, ran a poor 3rd.
Talk Logistics...finished 4th


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
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Irish War Cry - I didn't even pay attention to him. Whoops. Nice colt!
And, looking at his pedigree I get pretty excited. He's got Bold Ruckus back there in his dam's side - whom I love to see in any pedigree.

I don't think Classic Empire has his mental issues sorted out - that seems to be his weakness. Also, I am not totally convinced that Casse can bring them successfully from 2 to 3 very often. He's a good 2-year-old trainer.


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Last month Sid Fernandez posted this good piece on Irish War Cry's pedigree. (Bottom line all the way back to a Tesio mare and includes an old favorite of mine, Irish Derby winner Tambourine.) The pedigree of his owner is just as fascinating. Her father was general manager of Monmouth where the Haskell Invitation is named in honor of him. She herself raced sports cars in Europe and later manufactured them there. Great backstory for a Derby horse.

https://sidfernando.wordpress.com/2017/ ... in-racing/

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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
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Patuxet wrote:
Last month Sid Fernandez posted this good piece on Irish War Cry's pedigree. (Bottom line all the way back to a Tesio mare and includes an old favorite of mine, Irish Derby winner Tambourine.) The pedigree of his owner is just as fascinating. Her father was general manager of Monmouth where the Haskell Invitation is named in honor of him. She herself raced sports cars in Europe and later manufactured them there. Great backstory for a Derby horse.

https://sidfernando.wordpress.com/2017/ ... in-racing/

Hi Patuxet,
Nice to hear from you, hope all is well and thanks for that great article. It was nice to see Motion have another contender and I do hope Motion returns this horse to rider Feargal Lynch (who was unable to ride him in the Holy Bull). How about a New Jersey bred popping up as a Derby contender considering breeding in Jersey has been on the decline. Irish War Cry being 1 of only 117 registered NJ bred foals in 2014. Now the next step is trying to become the 3rd NJ bred to win the Kentucky Derby in a very long time....the other two were Regret (1915) and Cavalcade (1934). Irish War Cry should get his chance to try considering his breeding and Graham Motion at the helm:>) TJ


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:42 pm 
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Casse is reporting that Classic Empire has a foot abscess. Although I don't doubt this is true, I did notice this horse did not grow much, and reminds me a little of Brody's Cause - he's just small and fine-boned. And, his mind works in mysterious ways, I don't trust that for a big day like Derby Day.
Then compare him to a horse like Irish War Cry who looks like a big, strong boy who is just coming into his own... sometimes the good 2-year-olds just don't develop at 3. I guess the next race for Classic Empire will help us clarify this.


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 Post subject: Re: It's Derby Time
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Ghostzapper has two talented Derby colts this year in McCraken and Iliad. Both have female families that suggest they will go long.


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Cree wrote:
Ghostzapper has two talented Derby colts this year in McCraken and Iliad. Both have female families that suggest they will go long.

Hi Cree,
Yes, Iliad is the colt Kaleem Shah took away from Baffert and gave to O'Neill. Looks like a nice horse and there's more on the way this year:>) Iliad had a 96 beyer, McKracken got a 95, Irish War Cry a 97 and El Areeb a 92. The filly Unique Bella had a 98 in her last win....she's just like Songbird last season, she always had higher numbers than the 3YO colts when she won. TJ


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