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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:44 pm 
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A collaborator and excellent friend just informed me about an old resurrected gray lineage among us, who recently won a race. Will post the name right away.


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The data I received informs the following:

"I have found an oddity in the Erewhon, winner of today's Spring Champion S (G1) at Randwick. He is a grey, but he does not trace to Roi Herode, he does not trace to Le Samaritain, he does not trace to Le Sancy, he does not even trace to Pippermint, the South American conduit of grey color. His 'greyness' runs down the damline to a daughter of Xandover, his dam Xanthene, and her sire Grey Plume, son of Grey Leg, son of Salt and Pepper, the damsire of Pippermint."

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More on the gray EREWHON. Unfortunately, he is a gelding, and the only foal from his dam. But fortunately, his dam is still young and capable of producing another gray branch!

00. (------) EREWHON (AUS) (gray G 2007) (only foal from his dam)
01. (from) PSEUDONYM (AUS) (gray M 2000)
02. (from) QUE SERA SERA (AUS) (gray M 1988)
03. (from) STAN’S DELIGHT (AUS) (gray M 1975)
04. (from) FAVOURED (AUS) (gray M 1970)
05. (from) GREY CYRENE (AUS) (gray M 1962)
06. (from) ADOREE (AUS) (gray M 1940)
07. (from) DORYLEE (FR) (gray M 1936)
08. (by) XANDOVER (FR) (gray H 1927)
09. (from) XANTHENE (FR) (gray M 1912)
10. (by) GREY PLUME (GB) (gray H 1901)
11. (by) GREY LEG (GB) (gray H 1891)
12. (by) PEPPER AND SALT (GB) (gray H 1882)
13. (from) OXFORD MIXTURE (GB) (gray M 1870)
14. (from) IRISH BELLE (GB) (gray M 1859)
15. (from) COLLEEN DHAS (IRE) (gray M 1842)
16. (by) RUST (GB) (gray H 1830)
17. (by) MASTER ROBERT (IRE) (gray H 1811)


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Hallo, Jorge,
I found another gray strain from Vilmorin, when I went through the list of Melbourne Cup contenders. See Linton (Galileo - Our Heather by Centaine). His granddam is by a Sire named Sun and Shine (by African Sky, a HB of Aragon), his colour comes by Vilmorin - Grey Leg.

Btw, the Top Filly Jacqueline (India) is from the damline of the German Sire Tiger Hill. His dam The Filly (by Appiani) is gray, too.

Regards, Bettina


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Okay, let's see their lineages. Here we go! :D :D :D


[][][][][][] LINTON (AUS) (gray gelding 2006) [][][][][][]

From OUR HEATHER (gray mare 1998)
From MELROSE (gray mare 1990)
By SUN AND SHINE (gray horse 1979)
From ICA (gray mare 1974)
From INTENT (gray mare 1952)
By VILMORIN (gray horse 1943)
From QUEEN OF THE MEADOWS (gray mare1938)
From QUEEN OF THE BLUES (gray mare 1929)
From BLUE FAIRY (gray mare 1922)
From VANISH (gray mare 1910)
From GREY LADY (gray mare 1898)
By GREY LEG (gray horse 1891)
By PEPPER AND SALT (gray horse 1882)
From OXFORD MIXTURE (gray mare 1870)
From IRISH BELLE (gray mare 1859)
FROM COLLEEN DHAS (gray mare 1842)
By RUSY (gray horse 1830)
By MASTER ROBERT (gray horse 1811) XXXXXXXXXXX

***********************************************************************
***********************************************************************
***********************************************************************

[][][][][][] JACQUELINE (IND) (bay filly 2006) [][][][][][]
from TALITA KUMI (bay mare 1995)
from TEMPLE MUSIC (gray mare 1976)

[][][][][][] TEMPLE LORD (gray colt 2006) [][][][][][]

From TEMPLE QUEEN (1994)
From TEMPLE ESPRIT (1987)
From TEMPLE MUSIC (1976)
From TEMPLEOGUE (1965)
From TILLA (1954)
From TRIXI (1944)
By BIRIBI (1923)
From LA BIDOUZE (1915)
From LA BIDASSOA (1097)
From SEMENDRIA (1897)
By LE SANCY (1884)
From GEM OF GEMS (1873)
By STRATHCONAN (1863)
From SOUVENIR (1856)
By CHANTICLEER (1843)
From WHIM (1832)
By DRONE (1823)
By MASTER ROBERT (1811)XXXXXXXXXXX
From SPINSTER (1805)
From SIR PETER MARE (1797)
From BAB (1787)
By BOURDEUX (1774) out of the gray mare, SPERANZA (1778) [see below +]
From CYGNET MARE (1761)
By CYGNET (1751)
From GODOLPHIN BLOSSOM (circa 1743)
By CRAB (1722) out of the gray mare SISTER THREE TO STEADY (circa 1734) [see below @]
By ALCOCKS ARABIAN (1700)


**********************

//// [+] ////

BAB (1787)
From SPERANZA (1778)
From VIRAGO (1764)
From REGULUS MARE (1757)
From CRAB MARE (1750)
By CRAB (1722)
By ALCOCKS ARABIAN (1700)

**********************


//// [@] ////

SISTER THREE TO STEADY (circa 1743)
From MISS BELVOIR (17__)
By GREY GRANTHAM (1714) out of the gray mare PAGET TURK MARE (17__) [see below #]


**********************

//// [#] ////

PAGET TURK MARE (17__)
From BETTY PERCIVAL (circa 1695)
From SPANKER MARE (circa 1675)
From OLD MOROCCO MARE (circa 1655)
By FAIRFAX MOROCCO BARB (circa 1633) with undetermined parents


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Hallo, Jorge,
In the pedigree of the Top German Racemare Night Magic (Sholokhov - Night Woman by Monsun) appears an uncommon Grey Sire.

Her 4th dam Nigeria is by Right Boy (by Impeccable), his 4th dam Saints Way is by Milesius (by Roi Herode). A closer look at his ped reveals he
is a 3/4 Brother of The Tetrarch. Right Boy himself is 5x5 The Tetrarch/Milesius

Regards, Bettina


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From NIGHT MAGIC (gray M 2006)
From NIGHT WOMAN (gray m1998)
From NOVEKA (gray m 1987)
From NOVELLE (gray m 1980)
From NIGERIA (gray M 1966)
By RIGHT BOY (gray H 1954)
By IMPECCABLE (gray H 1944)
By HIS HIGHNESS (gray H 1936)
From MOTI RANEE (gray M 1928)
By THE TETRARCH (gray H 1911)
By KALAGLOW (gray H 1978), out of NOVELLE (gray M1980) XXXXXX

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From NOVEKA (gray m 1987)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From NOVELLE (gray m 1980)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From NIGERIA (gray M 1966)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX By RIGHT BOY (gray H 1954)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX By IMPECCABLE (gray H 1944)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX By HIS HIGHNESS (gray H 1936)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From MOTI RANEE (gray M 1928)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX By THE TETRARCH (gray H 1911)

By KALAMON (gray H 1970)
By ZEDDAAN (gray H 1965)
By GREY SOVEREIGN (gray H 1948) out of VARETA (gray M 1953)

***********************From VARETA (gray M 1953)
***********************By VILMORIN (gray H 1943)
***********************From QUEEN OF THE MEADOWS (gray M 1938)
***********************From QUEEN OF THE BLUES (gray M 1929)
***********************From BLUE FAIRY (gray M 1922)
***********************From VANISH (gray M 1910)
***********************From GREY LADY (gray M 1898)
***********************By GREY LEG (gray H 1891)
***********************By PEPPER AND SALT (gray H 1882)
***********************From OXFORD MIXTURE (gray M 1870)
***********************From IRISH BELLE (gray M 1859)
***********************From COLLEEN DHAS (gray M 1842)
***********************By RUST (gray H 1830)
***********************By MASTER ROBERT (gray H 1811)

From KONG (gray M 1933)
By BAYTOWN (gray H 1925)
From PRINCESS HERODIAS (gray M 1920)
From QUEEN HERODIAS (gray M 1916)
By THE TETRARCH (gray H 1911)


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FROM THE ASCOT GOLD CUP:

Glad to know that stakes winner, OLD ROWLEY (by The Tetrarch) is
still around along with his phenotype. Note that Motrice who just arrived ninth (9/15) in the 2011 edition of the Ascot Gold Cup (won by Fame And Glory) descends from him.

MOTRICE (gray mare 2007) http://www.pedigreequery.com/motrice3

From: ENTENTE CORDIALE (ro M 1991)
From: LIKELY SPLIT (gray M 1977)
From: CATERINA (gray M 1963)
From: RADIOPYE (gray M 1954)
From: SILVERSOL (gray M 1940)
From: SILVER LADY (gray M 1932)
By: OLD ROWLEY (gray H 1921)
By: THE TETRARCH (gray H 1911)


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I am resurrecting this topic for the benefice of one of our collaborators here. Especifically, someone asking for a strain coming from ROI HERODE.


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Actually I'm looking for a tail male Roi Herode stallion of any color. Thought there might be some hiding in South America or Eastern Europe/Germany.

Jorge wrote:
I am resurrecting this topic for the benefice of one of our collaborators here. Especifically, someone asking for a strain coming from ROI HERODE.

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Hallo, Jorge,
after a long quietness, I stumbled accidentally over a gray decents from Xandover.

A Russian bred Sire named Artan (by Razgon), via his damline Ruzaevka -Nina Galette (FR) - Xandover.
Razgon brings in a second strain of gray color via Anilin - Etalon Or - Filibert de Savoie, he is bred 3 x 3 Le Sancy.
Regards, Bettina


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Bettina wrote:
Hallo, Jorge,
after a long quietness, I stumbled accidentally over a gray decents from Xandover.

A Russian bred Sire named Artan (by Razgon), via his damline Ruzaevka -Nina Galette (FR) - Xandover.
Razgon brings in a second strain of gray color via Anilin - Etalon Or - Filibert de Savoie, he is bred 3 x 3 Le Sancy.
Regards, Bettina


LET'S DOCUMENT THIS LINEAGE FOR THE BENEFICE OF OUR READERS AND STUDENTS OF GRAY LINEAGES. :D

XANDOVER (Gray H 1927) http://www.pedigreequery.com/xandover
ARTAN (RUS) (Gray H 1992) http://www.pedigreequery.com/artan3

ARTAN (RUS) (Gray H 1992)
by RAZGON (Gray H 1974)
from RUZAEVKA (Gray M 1967)
from RENTA (Gray M 1953)
from NINI GALETTE (Gray M 1938)
by XANDOVER (Gray H 1927)
from XANTHENE (Gray M 1912)
by GREY PLUME (Gray H 1901)
by GREY LEG (Grey H 1891)
by PEPPER AND SALT (Grey H 1882)
from OXFORD MIXTURE (Gray M 1870)
from IRISH BELLE (Gray M 1859)
from COLLEEN DHAS (Gray M 1842)
by RUST (Gray H 1830)
by MASTER ROBERT (Gray H 1811)
from SPINSTER (Gray M 1805)
from SIR PETER MARE (Gray M 1797)
from BAB (Gray M 1787) (REKNOWN GRAY ANCESTRESS ORIGINATOR

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ARTAN’s known progeny including graydescendants:

ART SONIC (Gray H 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/art+sonic
GRAND GREY (Grey H 2004) http://www.pedigreequery.com/grand+grey
IZRAEL (_____H 2003)


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Hello, Jorge,
when I was looking through various peds, I stumbled about a son of Roi Herode I wasn't unaware.

See Kanace (dam of the American Sire Vertex), via Tuckahoe by Sir Greysteel by Roi Herode.

regards, Bettina


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Bettina wrote:
Hello, Jorge,
when I was looking through various peds, I stumbled about a son of Roi Herode I wasn't unaware.

See Kanace (dam of the American Sire Vertex), via Tuckahoe by Sir Greysteel by Roi Herode.

regards, Bettina


Dear Bettina,

Thank you very much for the watch on this lineage. As far as I know,
PISTOLS AND ROSES http://www.pedigreequery.com/pistols+and+roses
is still alive, albeit I haven't seen any male descendant from him that may keep alive his legacy.


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Jorge wrote:
Bettina wrote:
Hello, Jorge,
when I was looking through various peds, I stumbled about a son of Roi Herode I wasn't unaware.

See Kanace (dam of the American Sire Vertex), via Tuckahoe by Sir Greysteel by Roi Herode.

regards, Bettina


Dear Bettina,

Thank you very much for the watch on this lineage. As far as I know,
PISTOLS AND ROSES http://www.pedigreequery.com/pistols+and+roses
is still alive, albeit I haven't seen any male descendant from him that may keep alive his legacy.


DEAR BETTINA,

HERE IS ANOTHER GRAY DESCENDANT FROM THE SIRE ROI HERODE:

GIDRON (gray H 1976) http://www.pedigreequery.com/gidron

from: GEOGRAFIA (gray M 1968)
from: GALEREA (gray M 1963)
by: KHARKOV (gray H 1950)
from: GUNDINE (gray M 1942)
by: TULLUS HOSTILIUS (gray H 1924)
by: ROI HERODE (gray H 1904) ******************
by: LE SAMARITAIN (gray H 1895)
by: LE SANCY (gray H 1884)
from: GEMS OF GEMS (gray M 1873)
by STRATHCONAN (gray H 1863)
from SOUVENIR (gray M 1856)
by CHANTICLEER (gray H 1843)
from WHIM (gray M 1832)
by DRONE (gray H 1823)
by MASTER ROBERT (gray H 1811)
from SPINSTER (gray M 1805)
from SIR PETER MARE (gray M 1797)
from BAB (gray M 1787)
by BORDEAUX (gray H 1774) –out of -- SPERANZA (gray M 1778) (see *)
from CYGNET MARE (gray M 1761)
by CYGNET (gray H 1751)
from GODOLPHIN BLOSSOM (gray M 1743 [aprox.])
by CRAB (gray H 1722) –out of -- SISTER THREEE TO STEADY (gray M 1734) (see **)
by ALCOCKS ARABIAN (gray H 1700)

------------------------------------------------------
*
SPERANZA (gray M 1778)
from VIRAGO (gray M 1764)
from REGULUS MARE (gray M 1757)
from CRAB MARE (gray M 1750)
by CRAB (gray H 1722)
by ALCOCKS ARABIAN (gray H 1700) [end]

------------------------------------------------------
**
SISTER THREE TO STEADY (gray M 1732 [aprox.])
From MISS BELVOIR (gray M 17__)
by GREY GRANTHAM (gray H 1714) –out of -- PAGET TURK MARE (gray M 17__) (see ***)
by BROWNLOW TURK (gray H 1704) –out of -- GREY GRANTHAMS DAM (gray M 1710) [ends here]

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