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Highly doubtful. Some of the worst fading blacks Ive seen have been EE.SouthernStar wrote:I am actually wondering aloud if the horses that are black year round are EE and the horses that fade are Ee?
Completely agree.I really think the only way to know for certain a horse is black is to test it. And, I don't think the JC really cares what color the horse is to go to that extreme.
I am unlucky and bought one of the "regular" ones.
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Black. There is no difference. Just like a redder bay is the same a a darker bay, though not the same as brown. Ee can be black and still throw red, and Im not sure what you mean by just dont throw red.springboro wrote:Let me ask, then, if you're going to call all these horse black because genetically they're what you define as black (although that sounds to me like they just don't throw red ), what do you call the black that I'm looking for.
Its just black. If you truly need to differentiate black and fading black. But they are both true black.there must be someway to distinguish the black of a Sunday Silence/Halo/Santuary as opposed to the black of a Prince Stanley. (I'm going to guess you'll tell me something about fading or smutty or .....)
You cant selectively breed for true blacks. Some horses fade some horses dont. Ive seen fading blacks produce a black and blacks produce fading blacks. It would stand to reason that if you breed black to black you stand a better chance at getting black but that is not always the case, nor would I say its the norm.And then, how do you selectively breed for that true black? In looking at Prince Stanley's pedigree, it is not apparent to me where his blackness comes from. And yet, many of his foals were actually registered as blacks. He clearly then is a known getter (yes, that does sound funny) of blacks.
So can fading blacks. So can bays. So can buckskins. So can bay roans etc etc etc etc.I'm making a sweeping generalization here, but it would appear that the true black horse is capable of getting other blacks.
What?!And the other sweeping generalization.... if the horse looks dark bay and has those darn brown noses and places... doesn't matter if he has been genetically tested homozygous for not getting reds.... there are no blacks.
Agouti "A" is very common. However to be black the agouti is NOT defective so to say. "a" is a mutation of the agouti gene. "A" limits the black pigment to the points and "a" doesnt.SouthernStar wrote:It was explained to me that a TRUE black horse is rare due to the fact that all horses are technically bay (agouti) and to be black the agouti gene is defective. I am sure someone can explain that one more correctly.
RiddleMeThis wrote:Black. There is no difference. Just like a redder bay is the same a a darker bay, though not the same as brown. Ee can be black and still throw red, and Im not sure what you mean by just dont throw red.springboro wrote:Let me ask, then, if you're going to call all these horse black because genetically they're what you define as black (although that sounds to me like they just don't throw red ), what do you call the black that I'm looking for.
Hes not black OR bay. Hes chestnut.springboro wrote:He's got a brown nose.... he's dark bay. IF he were a TB, he'd be dark bay. I'm sticking to the Jockey Club definitions.