Colored TBs in Europe

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Colored TBs in Europe

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Postby reedhill » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:36 pm

I SURE LIKE HIM! :D

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Postby helen in FL » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:43 am

Man just give me his sire please!

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Postby Crystal » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:59 am

So, how much did he sell for??? Any overseas buyers take advantage of the incentive??? Can we steal him!!???

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Postby angrovestud » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:35 am

Ben sold for £2.200 pounds and was bought by his breeder Shena Halliwell one can only assume this brought them some publicity as seen in last weeks Horse and Hound in the UK.
It does seem strange to buy your own horse at a sale wouldnt know any other reason for this other than PR.
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Postby reedhill » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:38 am

what is that in dollars?

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Postby angrovestud » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:41 am

Hi reedhill
its $3,126.04
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Postby reedhill » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:51 am

I sure would have brought him home too.

I have never seen your Ricco, how gorgeous is he!

Is he tobiona, tovero, or overo? :D

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Postby angrovestud » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:05 pm

Hi Reedhill
Thank you he is a very special boy and grandson of Nureyev
he is a Tobiano 3/4 TB sport horse stallion who is a foundation sire with Weatherbys and is the sire of Angrove Rum BaBa 7/8th TB colt grandson of Dr Fong

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Thought you might like to see the orginal painting as described in the above artical we took the photos of this painting at the Walker art Gallery where it in storage we met the senior archavist who told us the painting is belived to be bt Sawrey Gilpin and the Archivist had been in touch with the Royal Archived at Windsor and there is no Record of this horse being called the King of Trumps or belonging to King George
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Postby reedhill » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:16 pm

How neat, what history!

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Postby Jorge » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:32 am

Angrovestud,

Thank you so much for the photo of "KOTT". I was not aware that he was part of a larger painting. Wow, this horse is really a mystery to many of us. Alas loudly spotted and rare coloured equines are not so popular in Great Britain. For years I have been trying to pinpoint the identity of a rare white Thoroughbred produced in England in 1914 without no results. He was allegedly bred by Lord Middleton but there are no records at all. :cry:

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Postby angrovestud » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:12 am

Hi Jorge Do you have a name of the mystery white horse? would be very interested to see which sire and dam lines are in there :D :D
Jorge we are trying to change the perseption of colour on throughbreds it has taken 30 years to get Tobiano coloured in to mainstream showing dressage and eventing and hunting over here.
as a stud we are trying to breed into the TB the gene for Tobiano and Weatherbys stud book are keen to help us.
We can then predictably be able to breed in the colour tobiano but more importantly keep it there as you can breed for Homogosity
what we have found in our breeding programme is using sabino/tobiano you get a better chance of breeding a Homozygous coloured tobiano we now have bred two foals that are TT homozygous from the same hetrozygous mating we are excited about our third mating due on the 4th of march to see if the theory works!
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Postby Jorge » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:59 pm

Dear Angrovestud,

This is the story behind the white colt (or filly) foaled in Great Britain in 1914:

The best known reference on the existence of this unique white foal was provided by Sir Charles Leicester in his famous book, Bloodstock Breeding. On the first chapter (General Principles of Breeding), on one of the earliest editions of the book, page 369, the author wrote:

“Albinos are extremely rare and I know of only two cases when white foals, who were not albinos, have made their appearance. One was dropped at the late Lord Middleton’s stud in 1914 fromtwo bay parents, but I have no record of their names or breeding. The other was a filly born in Germany in 1925 and with the name WOHER? She was by Pergolese out of Lonja neither of whom was grey. Her appearance caused widespread interest and most searching inquiries were made into her case.”

With that information a hand I have been able to identify the names and pedigrees of all broodmares registered in the General Stud Book under the ownership of Lord Middleton during the 1910’s The names of his broodmares, with their specific breeding report for 1914 were:

Bairgen Briac (brown or black mare 1905) / brown colt by Benvenuto.
Fair Geraldine (bay mare 1901) / bay filly by Crathorne.
Fair Gertrude (bay mare 1907) / her first foal delivered in 1917.
Gateshead (chestnut mare 1910) / her first foal delivered in 1917.
Grand Geraldine (brown or black mare 1905) / no report in 1914.
Lady Fern (brown mare 1904) / barren to Wales.
Ladylike II (brown mare 1891) / her last foal was delivered in 1913.
Lady Modena (brown mare 1907) / mare died in 1912.
Lapwing II (chestnut mare 1893) / barren to Jovial.
Larky II (bay mare 1895) / dead bay colt by Jovial.
Laurel (chestnut mare 1911) / her first foal was delivered in 1915.
Modwena (bay mare 1905) / barren to Birk Gill.
Moyra (chestnut mare 1901) / bay filly by Jovial.

During the same period his mares were covered by the following 13 sires:

Benvenuto (brown h 1888)
Birk Gill (chestnut h 1903)
Black Spot (bay h 1904)
Crathorne (brown h 1903)
Jovial (bay h 1904)
Orby (chestnut h 1904)
Proudridge (bay h 1906)
Scotch Sign (bay h 1903)
Sir Harry (chestnut h 1905)
Stickup (bay h 1904)
Tantamount (bay or brown h 1912)
The Gull (chestnut h 1902)
Wales (chestnut h 1894)

As part of the continued investigation, I consulted the official records of the General Stud Book (Weatherbys) hoping to find any avenue of search, but since this white foal was never registered with this institution, not a single reference was found.

Perhaps the only hope is to find someone senior enough with bona fide information who may have known about this case by "hearsay".

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Postby Nessa » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:23 pm

There is a record of a 1914 white filly by Jovial out of the mare Fair Gertrude, named Middleton Fourteen in the Pedigree Query database. I don't know if this is the horse your thinking of or not.
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Postby Jorge » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:12 am

Dear Nessa,

Your coment is quite correct but more information would be needed.
Thank you so much for your valuable help!