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Ok, I was going to list one of my favorite AQHA mares up for sale, when I poked around her pedigree and found out that she has TWO EYED JACK in her pedigree. Her name is RHINSTONE CLOUD http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rhinestone+cloud TWO EYED JACKS first 3 dams were champagne. Some line breeding of TB mare NORA M on TWO EYED JACKS' damside HARMON BAKER is quite interesting.
TRIANGLE TOOKIE - 1951 (is a clone of my palomino mare!)
(Clouds photo, not real good) http://www.reedhillfarm.net/aqhaapha.html
LADY HANCOCK - 1940 (on her sire side was KATIE WAWEKUS - 1888 a TB) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/katie+wawekus
TRIANGLE LADY TEN - 1930 (sire side was from Morgans)

I think the strength of the champagne in this case is from the Morgans and the blank damside of TRIANGLE LADY TEN.
There are a good bit of TB's nearby though :?: :idea: I think this may be a good mare to keep and breed to our champagne QH CHILLIN REVIEW. Comments Jorge?


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Wow, dealing with champagne progenitors must be a headscratching dilemma :shock: , before evolving into a headache :shock: :x

Seems like we have to look first over here:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/burnett+riding+mare
but who knows if this is the whole truth for we all know that the term "champagne" may be hiding behind other coat color terms.
I don't claim to be a "connoisseur" but apparently the gene was first discovered among Tennessee walkers and Morgans. I hope that perhaps a champagne may pop up among Thoroughbreds just as the white color emerged among Thoroughbreds. My only hope is that simple observations may pinpoint and betray a TB case one day.

Can you provide more details on the TB angle of it?


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Jorge wrote:
Wow, dealing with champagne progenitors must be a headscratching dilemma :shock: , before evolving into a headache :shock: :x

Seems like we have to look first over here:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/burnett+riding+mare
but who knows if this is the whole truth for we all know that the term "champagne" may be hiding behind other coat color terms.
I don't claim to be a "connoisseur" but apparently the gene was first discovered among Tennessee walkers and Morgans. I hope that perhaps a champagne may pop up among Thoroughbreds just as the white color emerged among Thoroughbreds. My only hope is that simple observations may pinpoint and betray a TB case one day.

Can you provide more details on the TB angle of it?
The Dominant White mutations are on KIT. KIT is a gene that mutates VERY VERY regularly.

Champagne is NOT on KIT and is not on a gene that mutates regularly. It does not hide on any color like cream does. I have never seen one that could be mistaken for a "base color" and once you know what you are looking for, many are even hard to mistake for palominos/buckskins/smokey blacks.

It is VERY unlikely that you will ever find a champagne within the TB breed.

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That Burnett riding mare has QH on it, BUT did it descend from Mustang, TB, Morgan.............it seems to be where records stopped :cry:
Whenever TB's showed up, all I could do is keep note if they were chestnut, but most didn't have a photo. It seems the records of TB's keep going back past QH's and better records were documented. Luckily the 3 above champagne's were mentioned, offered photos and they sure look 100% typical of champagne to me, although back then they were only called palomino and buckskin.


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Interesting champagne equine (not TB)

http://cloud9walkers.com/Gunsmoke.htm


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He's Handsome :)


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I like very much the photo of him located at the left of the sentence that reads: "These pictures were taken of Gunsmoke when he was 3 years old." Gorgeous picture and angle!


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He looks like he would be a blast in spring or fall on some long camping trail rides, but kinda doubt they do that, since he would probably impregnate everything on the picket line :lol: :wink:


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Any update on this topic is welcome! :D


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This topic is worth a little update from our readers :idea: :wink:


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http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-310087

Check out this color Jorge!!!!!!!!!! Certainly not your typical TB color!


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Interesting influences on the upper half of the pedigree!


DIVA AT WORK: http://www.pedigreequery.com/diva+at+work

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Gosh yes Jorge! Now her tail is certainly full of mixed color frequently found in champagnes, but at a quick glance , one could easily think deep
golden palomino with that off body color! I would love to have her color genetics if only she had the conformation to match her unique "radiance".


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SW CHAMPAGNE ARTIST
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sw+champagne+artist

This very interesting champagne stallion makes one wonder if his name may be “inserted” after 8 generations…

http://www.snakewaterfarms.com/SW%20Cha ... Artist.htm
http://www.snakewaterfarms.com/Pedigree ... istPed.htm
http://www.snakewaterfarms.com/Pedigree ... istPed.htm


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Interesting site, with sire candidates. Great photos!

SW Champagne King
Photo: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sw+champagne+king

Taylor Made Champagne
Photo: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/taylor+made+champagne

SW Champagne Artist
Photo: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sw+champagne+artist

SW Take Care Too http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sw+take+care+too
Photo: http://www.snakewaterfarms.com/Our%20Stallions.htm


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