Pedigree Query

Following the same rationale posted regarding appaloosas, the same applies here regarding champagnes:

Right now, is there any Champagne-Thoroughbred strain waiting for the 9th consecutive Thoroughbred generation to occurr (English rules)? At least let's identify the most advanced aspirant and his/her status.

Champagne and appaloosa but not a Thoroughbred (of course). You can't have it all!

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-302668

Alas we will have to wait at least 8 consecutive unblended generations

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-286415

You don't have to be a breeder to keep an eye on any bay or brown Thoroughbred sporting brown leg markings instead of black ones.
Just keep looking!

Jorge wrote:You don't have to be a breeder to keep an eye on any bay or brown Thoroughbred sporting brown leg markings instead of black ones.
Just keep looking!

DITTO

Refreshing on the CHAMPAGNE HORSE COLOR:

http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/champagne.html

Let's search for an authentic champagne Thoroughbred!

Jorge wrote:Refreshing on the CHAMPAGNE HORSE COLOR:

http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/champagne.html

Let's search for an authentic champagne Thoroughbred!

Let's search for an authentic champagne Thoroughbred!

I'm not sure how to put this other than THERE ARE NO CHAMPAGNE THOROUGHBREDS.

In the sixth paragraph of the following article,
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/s ... -horse.htm the text reads:

“Breeding the Race Horse, published in 1958, was considered the Thoroughbred industry's most authoritative work on bloodlines. In it Federico Tesio had stated unequivocally that white Thoroughbreds were an impossibility.”

The great Italian and esteemed connoisseur was not immune to committing bulk errors, specially when attempting rigid dictums “carved on stone”.

The gene that causes white in thoroughbreds is completely different than the gene that causes Champagne. It mutates FAR FAR FAR more frequently. There are over 13 different white mutations, with potentially LOTS and LOTS more.

There is ONE champagne mutation. Just one. It does NOT mutate regularly, and if you are going to start "looking" for a champagne TB you might as well start looking for a turquoise one.

Unless champagne in the AQHA, Paint, or other breeds came from TBs, I think the only way you get a champagne TB is if there's a mutation that produces the champagne color -- and that mutation would probably NOT test exactly the same as champagne associated with other breeds, so it probably would NOT be found.

The chances of some non-TB champagne colored stallion covering a TB mare, the resulting foal being champagne and being slipped into the studbook as well as good enough to be used in a TB breeding program and thus spreading his/her champagne gene through the breed seems too remote to be realistic, especially since the advent of DNA testing.

Nice photos of several champagne horses, including QHs.

http://allemieux.com/blog/wp-content/up ... 00x357.jpg
http://allemieux.com/blog/category/cham ... er-horses/

Already reference material but always quite interesting:

http://www.chboa.com/research/champagneshades.html

Updated information at:
http://www.ichregistry.com/articles/Jus ... ev6-10.pdf

Jorge wrote:Updated information at:
http://www.ichregistry.com/articles/Jus ... ev6-10.pdf

According to the aforementioned article, the Champagne coat color first appeared through an equine named JONQUIL, who was an American Saddlebred breed. Apparently, from said breed it spread to the Tennessee Walking Horse, then to California (via parade horses), then to Texas, then to Quarter Horses. Apparently, these are the originators within their respective breeds:


01. Champagne originator within the American Saddlebred horse breed:
JONQUIL (1920) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jonquil6

02. Champagne originator within the Tennessee Walking breed:
GOLDEN LADY (aprox. 1910) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+lady2

03. Champagne originator within the American Cream Draft horse breed:
OLD GRANNY (aprox. 1913) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/old+granny

04. Champagne originator within the Quarter Horse breed plus related QH branches:
TRIANGLE LADY (1930) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/triangle+lady63

COW CUTTER ADAMS http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cow+cutter+adams
COW MAMA http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cow+mama
GINGER OF DUNBAR http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ginger+of+dunbar
IRISH LULLABY http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/irish+lullaby5
J MARE 64 http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/j+mare+64
YELLO LOU http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/yellow+lou

05. Champagne originator within the American Paint breed:
GOLD BONNET (1964) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gold+bonnet3

06. Champagne originator within the American Miniature Horse breed:
HIDDEN MEADOWS GRULLA (APROX. 1974) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hidden+meadows+grulla