Bonjour from France

[Vanessa]

Hi,

It's been a couple of weeks I'm reading you and it's high time I introduce you my colt : COLOR NOTCH UP, one of the extremely rare colored TB in France and probably the only one that will be in the track for the 20 or 30 past years (I think Mont Blanc' sons or daughters must have ran at that period).



He's 2 yo (taking 3 next year) and he's just started the training.
He's an Airdrie Apache's grand-son.
I plan to make him race by spring (If I can go through all the difficulties to make a skewbald horse run in France ! ... ).
I live in Chantilly, the french horse race temple, very close to the hippodrome.



He's double registered JC/APHA.

I apologize per advance for my possible written english mistakes

Bonjour à tous,
(All your horses are so beautiful )
Vanessa.

[KBEquine]

Welcome, Vanessa -

Your English is very good and we will be eagerly awaiting updates on your lovely horse in his racing career!

[reedhill]

WOW What a gorgeous double patterend TB!! He looks 1/2 sabino and 1/2 overo. Have you tested him for the overo gene?
Very best of luck to you with him OTT. Possibly 2 of ours so far could make it to the track in 2010. A very exciting time, beautiful colt!!
Welcome and thank you for sharing. PS, I'm very impressed that you could figure out how to post a photo here, Congrads again!

[Jorge]

You are quite welcome Vanessa.
Great photos and beautiful equines.

Apropos Mont Blanc's era, by any chance, do you have any historical information on the final whereabouts of an obscure cropout heavily spotted French Thoroughbred from the early 1960s named: Valençay ?

Valençay (1960 chestnut colt by Free Man out of La Lorie)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/valencay2

Once again, Welcome!!!

[color]

Nice to see you finally posted here Vanessa. I was the one that gave Vanessa this link to get lots of information about colorful TBs.

[Vanessa]

Many thanks to all of you for welcoming me that way

You are quite welcome Vanessa.
Great photos and beautiful equines.

Apropos Mont Blanc's era, by any chance, do you have any historical information on the final whereabouts of an obscure cropout heavily spotted French Thoroughbred from the early 1960s named: Valençay ?

Valençay (1960 chestnut colt by Free Man out of La Lorie)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/valencay2

Once again, Welcome!!!

I 've tried to find that horse but I didn't succeed ...
Free Man doesn't have any son or daughter named Valençai (at least in the french JC) ; Free Man has 62 foals registered and the only one born in 1960 are :

DEVA out of DEVINETTE Female
FURMAN out of FURKA Male
KHOROSSAN out of KERGRISTE Female
SUFFRAGETTE out of SERENA Female
TOLEDANE out of TEN BELLS Female

Maybe this horse has never been registered to the french JC (wich is "France Galop" here : http://www.france-galop.com/ )

Nice to see you finally posted here Vanessa. I was the one that gave Vanessa this link to get lots of information about colorful TBs.

Hi Gwen, thanks again for showing me this wonderful colorful place ! ... ^^

Welcome, Vanessa -

Your English is very good and we will be eagerly awaiting updates on your lovely horse in his racing career!

For my english I try ... and for my colt, I will

WOW What a gorgeous double patterend TB!! He looks 1/2 sabino and 1/2 overo. Have you tested him for the overo gene?
Very best of luck to you with him OTT. Possibly 2 of ours so far could make it to the track in 2010. A very exciting time, beautiful colt!!
Welcome and thank you for sharing.

Yes, he has been tested (Animal Genetics) : he's negative Sb1 and negative OLWS.
But I believe our sabino TBs are curently negative to Sb1 and I know plenty of paint horses who are overo and negative to the OLWS : I think it's just a test for the Lethal White syndrom not for the pattern

Some pics when he was younger :
As a baby

As a yearling

As a yearling in the paddock with my son's pony

PS, I'm very impressed that you could figure out how to post a photo here, Congrads again!

LOL !!! ... so Am I ! ... I'm generaly so awkward with computers ! ...

[Derby Lyn]

Glad to see you finally made it Vanessa! Welcome, and I'm sure you will fit in well.

[accphotography]

Actually the test for LWO is a test for the gene itself. If the horse is positive for it, it's a frame overo regardless of what it looks like (I've seen solids test positive). By the same token, there are horses that may look like they should be positive, but they test negative. Those horses patterns are caused by another gene. It's rare, but it happens. Someone with a trained eye is not often fooled though.

Your horse doesn't look sabino or LWO to me. He looks exactly like what his pedigree tells us he likely is... dominant white. Almost identical to his grandsire and several other known dominant whites.

[RiddleMeThis]

Just going to ditto ACC as she said everything I wanted too.

[summerhorse]

Welcome Vanessa, so glad to see you here! I LOVE your colt! He's so beautiful!

[summerhorse]

Vanessa do you mind if I link one of his photos to his pedigree?

[SpecialEffects]

Hi Vanessa... you have a gorgous colt. I look forward to hearing about him as you get him to the track!

[Vanessa]

Many thanks to all of you.

Summerhorse, yes for sure you can link all pictures you want.

RiddleMeThis and Accphotography, it's so interesting what you are saying :
"Dominant white", I didn't know this pattern. I believed my colt was sabino.
All TBs are dominant white or are there true sabino TBs ?

I know PH which are OLWS N/N (and definitively skewbald) with parents O/N : are they're still frame overo or are they dominant white ?

How can you see a horse is dominant white without knowing its genealogy ?

[RiddleMeThis]

All TBs are dominant white or are there true sabino TBs ?
How can you see a horse is dominant white without knowing its genealogy ?

There are true sabino TBs.

We (and others) can see dominant white by knowing how the pattern "works" so to speak. How it "places" white on the horse. How the white "flows/moves" on a horse. How its passed on from sire to offspring or dam to offspring. And while we don't have a test for this particular horse, his sire, his sires production, and on down the line all match up VERY VERY closely to the known dominant white horse.

Its not really ONE thing, but rather a combination of multitudes of things.

I know PH which are OLWS N/N (and definitively skewbald) with parents O/N : are they're still frame overo or are they dominant white ?

Dominant white will depend on everything that made us think that your colt was dominant white.

Frame on the other hand is simple. If the horse is O/n the horse is a frame overo. It may have other patterns in ADDITION to frame, but the horse IS frame.

Same thing with NN. If a horse is NN for frame, the horse is not frame no matter WHAT it looks like. It may have other patterns, but it's not frame.

[Linda_d]

Welcome to the MB, Vanessa. Your colt is beautiful.

Your English is definitely better than my French!!!