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Author:  Jorge [ Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:55 am ]
Post subject:  Native Dancer on top with his gray color on bottom

Please post the name of every active gray sire you know, who owes his gray color exclusively to Native Dancer (as a broodmare sire), and also owes his tail-male lineage to him.

I am referring to cases like:

PROSPECTORS GAMBLE (gray H 1985) http://www.pedigreequery.com/prospectors+gamble

and

ROBYN DANCER (gray H 1987)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/robyn+dancer

But they no longer qualify for both are deceased! :(

Please post their pedigrees for easy check up. :D

(p.s. Be aware that grays coming from Darn That Alarm don't qualify) :wink:

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Author:  belambi [ Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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Does this help?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/native+dancer

Author:  belambi [ Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:45 pm ]
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belambi wrote:


Would this be an example of what you mean?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/a+boy+name+sue

Author:  Linda_d [ Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:14 am ]
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belambi wrote:
belambi wrote:


Would this be an example of what you mean?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/a+boy+name+sue


I think what Jorge means is grays that come from the Native Dancer sire line but owe their gray coloring to having Native Dancer on their dam's side of the pedigree. Robyn Dancer was a RAN line sire but his gray color came from his dam, a gray maternal granddaughter of Native Dancer.

Author:  griff [ Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:42 pm ]
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How do you use this information??

griff

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:51 am ]
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Linda_d wrote:
I think what Jorge means is grays that come from the Native Dancer sire line but owe their gray coloring to having Native Dancer on their dam's side of the pedigree. Robyn Dancer was a RAN line sire but his gray color came from his dam, a gray maternal granddaughter of Native Dancer.


Thanks Linda, that's exactly my question.

The objective is to check up if Native Dancer's own gray coat color is still around in a combo along with his mightiest tail-male lineage representative, namely Raise A Native.

This as an alternative to a gray tail male lineage descending directly from him, which seems to be 98% percent extinct. The only surviving cases I know seems to come via Iron Warrior and Restless Native.

(Note: This exercise is just for curiousity, not to prove anything genetical.)

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:48 pm ]
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Found this one, but I know there must be other more prolific cases:

WONDERLOAF: http://www.pedigreequery.com/wonderloaf

Author:  Jorge [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:43 pm ]
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Most probably, in the near future, a talented gray daughter by the excellent sire named Kurofune (gray H 1998)
( http://www.pedigreequery.com/kurofune ), will be bred to one of the many great tail-male descendants by Raise A Native and "voila", the request of this query will be fullfilled. Until then, do you know of any worthy actual non-hypothetical case? :?:

Author:  Jorge [ Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:05 am ]
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Hey, just found a good number of active sires, all coming via
SILVER GHOST (grayH 1982) http://www.pedigreequery.com/silver+ghost

Here they are:

Cashel Castle (gray H 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/cashel+castle

Dome Mountain (gray H 1990) http://www.pedigreequery.com/dome+mountain

Ghostly Moves (gray H 1992) http://www.pedigreequery.com/ghostly+moves

Ghost Mountain (gray H (Ridg) 2001) http://www.pedigreequery.com/ghost+mountain

Lunar Shadow (gray H 1996) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lunar+shadow

Silver Music (gray H 1991) http://www.pedigreequery.com/silver+music

Author:  Jorge [ Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:21 am ]
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Looks like Cashel Castle may have the ability to sire an honest percentage of winners.

Author:  Jorge [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:30 pm ]
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Any update on this topic?

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:51 pm ]
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Jorge wrote:
Any update on this topic?


Here is an update from very-recently deceased MINSTRELLA.
Her son WINSTRELLA

WINSTRELLA (gray H 2004) http://www.pedigreequery.com/winstrella

Author:  Jorge [ Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:55 am ]
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Perhaps within this decade, a good gray daughter (eventually) sired by THE FACTOR (Gray H 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/the+factor2
may appear and will be bred to a meritorious tail-male-descendant of Raise A Native and...voila! :D

Author:  Jorge [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:20 pm ]
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Ditto but with FUSAICHI RICHARD.

Jorge wrote:
Perhaps within this decade, a good gray daughter (eventually) sired by FUSAICHI RICHARD (Gray H 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/fusaichi+richard
may appear and will be bred to a meritorious tail-male-descendant of Raise A Native and...voila! :D


Apropos this lineage, is there any chance of a KURAFUNE sire coming to
the US. Hey this is a North American pedigree living its existance far from these shores. Makes one remember the lineage and saga of SUNDAY SILENCE.

Author:  Jorge [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:41 am ]
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Here is a good example. He is a well-raced Belgium based sire.

POIGNARD (gray h 2002)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/poignard

By the way how can I find more information on the performances
of his progeny?

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