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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:12 pm 
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More on FIRST SECRETARY can be read at this thread:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... 2&start=15


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RiddleMeThis wrote:
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. he only has ONE appaloosa parent. ;) or I am reading the wrong pedigree?

Great article here

http://www.equiery.com/0pdffiles/FirstSecretary.pdf
No, he only has one parent. But him being called fewspot could have absolutely ZERO to do with being gray.

Its entirely possible for him to LOOK (read not BE) fewspot, or snow cap and not be, and also not be gray.


ah Yes.. Of course.. I understand now where you are quite correctly coming from! Sorry :oops:


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Jorge

I remember reading an article (about 20 years ago) about an appaloosa breeder in the USA. (he was in his mid 70s at the time of the article).. and he endevoured to breed along the lines of a spotted tb. I do remember that he had got as far as 63/64th with colour.. I think that is 6th generation??
All I can remember was that his stud prefix was "Peone" or "Peone's".


I will try and find some of the pedigrees but, I dont have access to the USA appaloosa studbook.


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well that was surprisingly easy to find!

Have scanned the article, and you can read it here.. it interesting.. not necessarily my humble opinion!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1926832/usa%20a ... 201993.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1926832/usa%20a ... %20001.jpg


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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/peones+katelin


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Its very interesting to note.. that she was purchased specifically by the Nez Perce Tribe in Lapwai Idaho, and they are the current owners.


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belambi Thank you so uch for posting that terrific Artical and the pedigree we are using mares with white feet and known splash carriers as it seems to help the tobiano appear and it helps us breed 3 homozygous tobianos in a row from two heterozygous tobiano Red carriers
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Ee TO nt A all very interesting we only have three more generations to go to get to 63 /64ths I hope I live long enough!

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belambi wrote:
well that was surprisingly easy to find!

Have scanned the article, and you can read it here.. it interesting.. not necessarily my humble opinion!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1926832/usa%20a ... 201993.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1926832/usa%20a ... %20001.jpg



Belambi,

Thank you so much for such a wonderful piece of information. Great article and I am sure Angrovestud is rejoicing like myself! :D


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Here is a link that may prove useful and/or pertinent:
http://www.sworddragon.com/chiefjosephfdn/fs10.html


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Another interesting link:
http://www.appaloosa.com/race/racing.htm


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An interesting bit of info from the current FAQ on the Appaloosa Project concentrated on LP horses that exhibit minimal markings. LP is the gene/genes that usually included sclera, striped hooves, appy roaning, and mottled skin.

There are examples of horses with blankets, that don't have the white sclera, or striped hooves.

On another tangent there was a Arabian stallion named Mesaoud the spotted wonder.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggreymare/200764129/

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=256

Mesaoud has been suspected of carrying some sort of color genes.


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I posted a thread at the allbreed message board (general discussion)
and a member informed about this sire. Too much trail to walk uh?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/i+love+willie


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I have been out checking my horses sclera and the interesting fact is that the heterozygous horses have one white sclera and one brown and the 3 homozygous tobiano have two how neat is that! also I have a TB girl possible splash carrier and she also has white broken sclera it will be fun to see what she has when she foals.
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this boy has one eye with the white sclera the other eye is brown I know from early talks with a genetisist dyslexic ) that the spotting gene for coloured horses is linked to the spotting gene white horses are basicly one big spot!

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Jorge wrote:
I posted a thread at the allbreed message board (general discussion)
and a member informed about this sire. Too much trail to walk uh?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/i+love+willie



This is the topic: TB-Appy cross with highest percentage of TB blood
This is the limk:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/forum/v ... php?t=4429


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Champagne and appaloosa but not a Thoroughbred (of course). You can't have it all! :wink:

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-302668


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