Pedigree Query

I figured Hansen would be out of a gray mare, and would have had two copies of the gray gene--hence his very gray coat. What a surprise to find that he's only got one copy of the gray gene.

Any other of Tapits two year olds that have grayed that fast?

xfactor fan wrote:Any other of Tapits two year olds that have grayed that fast?

Stardom Bound & Dancinginherdreams come to mind. Tapit himself grayed out very early, if I remember correctly.

Stardom Bound (Tapit), quite light as a 2yo indeed:


Another Tapit, as a YEARLING:


Dancinginherdreams as a YEARLING:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... ngNuwQ&t=1

As a 2yo:


Careless Jewel at 2:


Tapitsfly at 2:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... Ncs909q11w

Zazu at 2:


Careless Jewel at 3:
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv18 ... prints.jpg

And Tapit himself at a fairly young age (he's only 10 even now and I think this is at least 4 years old):


He was quite light on the track even:

This graying out angle of Tapit as a stud is very interesting when compared with another precocious grayed-out horse we all remember: Vigors. Similar to Hansen, Vigors also sported an all-white hair arrangement, along with his dark skin. But there is a notable difference with Vigors because the latter was not known for siring a strong amount of almost white offsprings while Hansen is still a question mark in terms of whether he possess the ability to sire precocios white-looking offsprings. We will have to wait for his stud career. Until then we may want to compare Tapit's ability with that of the now deceased, Free House.
Comments?

So far Tapit is out-siring most grays, ever.

Take a look at TAPIT's progeny in terms of earnings. Then take a look at the victories achieved by each of these standouts. Quite impressive, uh!
Thats another reason for the title of this topic.

He sure is white, he's got a cute pink lip though!

Here are four additional photos of HANSEN and his “bebeblanco” marking (“white paint drinker”).

http://www.search.com/images?q=Breeders ... 31&index=1

http://www.search.com/images?q=Breeders ... 31&index=2

http://www.search.com/images?q=Breeders ... 31&index=3

http://www.search.com/images?q=Breeders ... 31&index=4

Thanks again CountRaja for such an awesome picture shot!

Jorge wrote:I don't remember of any gray sire whose sons and daughters were top quality performers fashioning a high percentage of winners in their first start at the track. Awesome. Just take a look at hisincredible numbers.

I am under the impression that we are witnessing the next The Tetrarch (gray H 1911), whose coat color was spread exponentially two generation later, thanks to his role as a broodmare sire: not to tak about his sons.

I reiterate my initial posting. The same pattern seen last year is repeating again for 2012.

Many of the messages posted under the topic:

“Changing the face (and LOOK!) of TB's in the years to come!”

( which can be read at: http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... sc&start=0 )

perfectly applies here to our present subject.

Just substitute the name “MAHMOUD” with the name “TAPIT” and there you have it:

The 2012 Breeders' Cup results re-iterates the title of this thread... once again!

Jorge wrote:I don't remember of any gray sire whose sons and daughters were top quality performers fashioning a high percentage of winners in their first start at the track. Awesome. Just take a look at hisincredible numbers.

I am under the impression that we are witnessing the next The Tetrarch (gray H 1911), whose coat color was spread exponentially two generation later, thanks to his role as a broodmare sire: not to tak about his sons.

The very first posting of this thread was posted in 2010!
Wow, TAPIT has skyrocketed since then.

Up to this point, do you agree that his coat color is sort of invading the
breeding industry a-la The Tetrarch or Mahmoud.

Thanks for your opinions.

And list goes on and on for Tapit:
Tesseron (4th) (grey c 2010) http://www.pedigreequery.com/tesseron
Dance Card (grey f 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/dance+card6

Jorge.

One of the things that you have been looking at has been the transmission of which gray gene a horse passes on. In cases where there is only one gray parent, it is obvious. Where there are two gray parents, impossible to figure out.

Looking at the rate that Tapit's offspring are turning white, might this be a way of sorting out the genes? For example if one gray gene is from a line that is known to gray late, and the other from an early gray line, could you look at when the offspring starts turning gray, and make a good guess?

Just a thought. Has Tapit been bred to any gray mares?

xfactor fan wrote:Jorge.

One of the things that you have been looking at has been the transmission of which gray gene a horse passes on. In cases where there is only one gray parent, it is obvious. Where there are two gray parents, impossible to figure out.

Looking at the rate that Tapit's offspring are turning white, might this be a way of sorting out the genes? For example if one gray gene is from a line that is known to gray late, and the other from an early gray line, could you look at when the offspring starts turning gray, and make a good guess?

Just a thought. Has Tapit been bred to any gray mares?

Xfactorfan,

Thanks for bringing up this issue. In essence, that's the very same
question that was asked by yours truly to a world reknown authority, specifically, focusing on the way Native Dancer stamped his gets
vis-a-vis the way the grey mare Kanace stamped her foals.
This in order to determine whether JIG TIME's grey color was due to Native Dancer or Kanace. (Keeping aside the angle that JIG TIME seemed to be an homozygous grey).

The interest in answering this question was to know if we can include
JIG TIME as a grey-tail-male-lineage descendant of Nativa Dancer or not.
The answer I received was that regardless of the fact that you could ascribe any atypical phenotypical trait or pattern to the grey color of Native Dancer there was no reliability in affirming that JIG TIME was passing on Native Dancer's grey genes. In other words, (figuratively speaking) once two hen eggs are poured into a bowl, the cook will
immediately scramble both eggs and you can forget about which ingredients belongs to whom.

So, I guess that the same logic applies to Tapit and his
very-white-looking foals. As far as I have observed there seems
to be no sure thing with the velocity of the transmission of the
greying-out pattern because in the case of Vigors (1973) his gets
seemed to be all normally graying-out equines.

Certainly this is a very interesting topic worth reading many many opinions, especially from our breeders.