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Author:  reedhill [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:39 pm ]
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A few of our oldest foals who are now just coming 3 y/o's in 2011 be trained for the track, we are very excited! This year, we have had more inquiries from race breeders than before interested in breeding color for running. The times are slowly changing!

Author:  angrovestud [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:14 am ]
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It has always been a passion for me to breed a coloured racehorse he will be the first coloured colt to run in the UK

Author:  Ozzie Overo [ Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:42 pm ]
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:D How long now before he has his first start? good luck, I hope he wins

Author:  angrovestud [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:51 am ]
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Rummy came home to grow

Author:  Jorge [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:18 pm ]
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PATCHEN BEAUTY (The White Fox's dam) has been the only
white mare who has been bred to a racing top-notch stallion
like SKIP AWAY. That mating ended up producing a nice white
product, quite auspicious for the breeding shed.

Now I ask to all our members: Aside from SKIP AWAY, how come we have never seen another white mare being bred to an top-notch stallion ---even if that stallion is no longer in-vogue, like it occurred with, say, Spectacular Bid.

Would really like to read your opinions on which "passé"
stallion would you suggest as a candidate for covering white mares.

Are we passing by good candidates!

Author:  Jorge [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:13 pm ]
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Came across this at the internet:

http://books.google.com.pr/books?id=Rcr ... ty&f=false

Author:  xfactor fan [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:36 am ]
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Jorge,

You might want to add the white Sunday Silence mares to your list. Several of the family have raced in Japan.

Author:  Jorge [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:12 am ]
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xfactor fan wrote:
Jorge,

You might want to add the white Sunday Silence mares to your list. Several of the family have raced in Japan.


And they are racing with certain successs. Alas there is no significant relationship between those Japanese strains and the ones being produced in the US. The talented Kurofune is the sire of several white Thoroughbreds in Japan. That is not the situation in the US. Imagine that a white colt or filly had being produced by the likes of Cozzene, Spectacular Bid, Affirmed and several other no-longer-en-vogue stallions.
If you observe tendencies, the white daughter of horses like Skip Away have more chance of reproducing white strains because of their famous, albeit "passe", sires.

Opinions or comments?

Author:  xfactor fan [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:07 pm ]
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Shirayukihime this mare is white. New mutation likely Dominant White. She has a 50% chance of passing her white gene on to each of her foals.

Kurofune is grey. He also has a 50% chance of passing his grey gene on to his foals.

However, the grey gene and the Dominant White gene are not related,

Author:  Jorge [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:37 pm ]
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PATCHEN BEAUTY (White M 1995)

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/patchen+beauty

Was she retired as a broodmare?

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:40 pm ]
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ANGEL IN DISGUISE (a daughter of Patchen Beauty),
http://www.pedigreequery.com/angel+in+disguise7
a 2-year-old filly and full sister to the white colt WHITE PRINCE http://www.pedigreequery.com/white+prince3 has been officially
registered as a “gray/roan” filly.

Hmmm, albeit she was foaled on April 1st 2011, there
is nothing funny about the huge error that represents officially
assigning to her this misleading coat color designation.

Wish an official policy may be established to officially designate these
cases with the nomenclature “Stained White” instead of the genetically
impossibility label of “gray/roan”.

Author:  xfactor fan [ Wed May 01, 2013 1:19 am ]
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Have you seen a picture of the filly? She may be gray. Grandsire Hatchet Man was grey, the dam may carry both the gray gene, and the Dominant White gene. In this case the gray is masked by the white color,. Just like gray disguises the base coat color.

Author:  Pan Zareta [ Wed May 01, 2013 7:19 am ]
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Further to XFF's remarks, it's unlikely that the JC would have made an exception to the rule that gr/ro's must have at least one gr/ro parent unless Angel In Disguise has been genotyped as a gr carrier.

Author:  Jorge [ Wed May 01, 2013 9:38 am ]
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The official Thoroughbred registry is sufficiently loaded
with names of equines coming from a pair of solid color
(non-grey[s]) immediate parents, where they don't
further explain why they were registered that way.
That is factual data.

The list is abnormally long of horses like, lets say, WAR COLORS
(1963). In short, regardless the theoretic rule of thumb that a grey/roan
"ought" to carry one or two "grey/roan" immediate ancestors the truth
is that the official Thoroughbred registry carries lot of them.

Author:  Pan Zareta [ Wed May 01, 2013 1:08 pm ]
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Jorge wrote:
The official Thoroughbred registry is sufficiently loaded
with names of equines coming from a pair of solid color
(non-grey[s]) immediate parents, where they don't
further explain why they were registered that way.
That is factual data.


The requirement that gr/ro's have at least one gr/ro parent is a recently implemented one.

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